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Post by mikehaseler on Aug 30, 2011 14:28:45 GMT
At the beginning of the summer, there were reports that some were suggesting the world was heading to a new Maunder minimum. I was wondering whether that prediction still holds true: whether there has been more evidence for or against and whether people have any thoughts about what it means in practice.
Let me say that whilst I've got an idea of what sunspots are, my idea of sunspot cycles is about that: they are cycles. And I presume the maunder minimum is the reduction in amplitude of the sunspot cycle rather than e.g. a change in periodicity of the cycles.
So, I don't really understand how anyone can predict an absence of the cycle except by the obvious fact that the cycle amplitude seems to have diminished.
So I have a few questions:
1. What is the likelihood of a reduced amplitude of the next cycle? 2. What about the one after? 3. What about the one after? 4. etc. 5. Or do they just completely disappear and there is no cycle? Or are they longer-flatter?
I presume that there are a host of "Maunder minimum like" events. So, e.g. whereas the Maunder minimum was 70 years, is it more likely that if there were another minimum it would be say 30 years? Or do all the minimums tend to be around 70 years?
I hope that gives the gist of what I'm interested in -- and thanks in advance for any help.
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Post by mikehaseler on Sept 1, 2011 15:43:08 GMT
Just to update this, Scotland has had the coldest summer in 14 years. I believe Ireland had the coldest June and July in 50 years. We have now heard that there is snow falling very early in the highlands (at height) "Substantial snowdrifts left over from Sunday 28th on Ben MacDui - first of the new season!". We've had CERN corroborate the work of Svensmark and Prof. Dr. Nir Shaviv which seems to pretty conclusively llink solar activity with climate. Now one snowflake doesn't make a new Maunder minimum, but with all the cold winters and summers we are having, it's not just an academic exercise. So, if anyone would be kind enough to give me their best guess, I would very much appreciate it.
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Post by justsomeguy on Sept 1, 2011 16:23:31 GMT
You are confounding two very complex issues:
1. Are we heading for a minima? The Livingston and Penn thread here and the papers presented at the meeting this spring you refer to all still point to a low cycle, possibly a coming minima. How large will it be? Since this seems to be a first in the instrument recorded history of the sun it is hard to tell as there is no precedent. I personally am betting on a large minima, but that is not really scientific.
2. Do large minima make the earth cool? Leif Svalgaard, the science guru and omniscient one of this board, has argued that the change in solar output alone in a minma would not account for significant cooling. That said, other studies seems to be pointing toward changes in the type of solar radiative output in minimas which could account for differences in cloud formation and drive cooling, but that is highly speculative at this point and the GLORY satellite that could have answered some of those questions definitively is laying on the ocean floor after a failed launch.
All in all, stay tuned for a decade or three.
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