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Post by madman2001 on May 1, 2009 22:38:06 GMT
Now this is journalism. To my mind, this is impartial, but like a good journalistic essay is ponders the prevailing groupthink.
Bravo, Independent!!!
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Post by curiousgeorge on May 2, 2009 2:09:53 GMT
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Post by N9AAT on May 2, 2009 18:16:31 GMT
I'm a noob. Forgive me. I thought the Whitehouse article was good. I grew up in the Texas Panhandle and had my first ham license at 13 (N5AAT). Lots of hams out on the plains were also farmers. You didn't have to tell us that droughts and big tornado outbreaks went along with the solar cycles. We just "observed" that science. Obviously I'm not a fan of AGW. I think it's politics, not science, and the Rio Treaty is all about investment opportunities, especially since I saw this article: www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1209-08.htmIf you follow the general trend since the Holocene Optimum, it only makes sense that we MIGHT be about to go through another low period. 300 years is a long time to be stuck on global warming.
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Post by van on May 5, 2009 11:25:54 GMT
Except for the final paragraph - the obligatory CO2 Global Warming crap statement.
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Post by Pooh on May 5, 2009 22:46:48 GMT
Anonymous. “ Quiet Sun May Trigger Global Cooling.” News. FOXNews.com - - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News, May 5, 2009. www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,518958,00.html. Citing: Minard, Anne. “ Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?.” News. National Geographic News, May 4, 2009. news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090504-sun-global-cooling.html. “Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?.” Page 1 news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090504-sun-global-cooling.html. “Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"? Page 2 - .” news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090504-sun-global-cooling_2.html. National Geographic News, thank you for noticing, even with the obligatory disclaimers: "But researchers are on guard against their concerns about a new cold snap being misinterpreted. " "Even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the scientists say, the star's effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2)." "I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down," Lockwood said. "I think that helps keep it in perspective."
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Post by hilbert on May 8, 2009 16:32:53 GMT
www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/weekly/README3Updated solar cycle prediction. "May 8, 2009 Solar Cycle 24 Prediction Update May 8, 2009 -- The Solar Cycle 24 Prediction Panel has reached a consensus decision on the prediction of the next solar cycle (Cycle 24). First, the panel has agreed that solar minimum occurred in December, 2008. This still qualifies as a prediction since the smoothed sunspot number is only valid through September, 2008. The panel has decided that the next solar cycle will be below average in intensity, with a maximum sunspot number of 90. Given the predicted date of solar minimum and the predicted maximum intensity, solar maximum is now expected to occur in May, 2013. Note, this is a consensus opinion, not a unanimous decision. A supermajority of the panel did agree to this prediction."
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Post by hilbert on May 8, 2009 16:39:21 GMT
for reference
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Post by N9AAT on May 9, 2009 16:36:04 GMT
Good pic to bring up, but what is not obvious is the length of cycles which many still point out has the greatest correlation with global warming/cooling. Cycle 21 was about 9.5 years and 22 was 10.something. Those cycles were happening as this whole "global warming" thing jumped from science into politics. I still think it has a lot to do with blue-green wavelenth light charging the ocean waters, and stratospheric cooling as well. Again, the problem today is that lobby groups have it all sealed up.
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Post by N9AAT on May 9, 2009 20:52:23 GMT
OK, can anybody tell me how to post a picture like the one above? I tried the help menu and it was no help at all. Whenever I hit the insert image thing, all it does is put the java script on the page. How does one post a pic? Aaaarrrghhhhh! I have a neat one on the entire Holocene which I think makes the case that (besides everything else) we SHOULD be on another downturn soon.
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Post by Pooh on May 9, 2009 23:32:23 GMT
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Post by dc51 on May 12, 2009 21:34:47 GMT
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Post by waxxstatic on May 13, 2009 1:23:22 GMT
In a recent inquiry to House Representative Henry Waxman (D) of California, as to why Lord Monckton was turned away during the April testimonies on Climate Change, I received the following response: -----Original Message----- From: "Congressman Henry A. Waxman" <ca30hima.pub@mail.house.gov> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:16:21 To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Subject: Re. your recent message Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX: Thank you for contacting me about witnesses invited to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee. I appreciate your taking the time to write. You will be pleased to know that Christopher Monckton testified before the House Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment on March 25, 2009. You can learn more about this hearing and view Lord Monckton's testimony by visiting energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1549:preparing-for-climate-change-adaptation-polities-and-programs&catid=130:subcommittee-on-energy-and-the-environment&Itemid=71 Congressional hearings provide Members of Congress the opportunity to collect and analyze information and draw attention to pertinent issues, and it is important that diverse points of view are represented. Under House Rule XI, when a House committee or subcommittee holds a hearing, members of the panel from the minority party have the right to call witnesses of their choosing to testify. During consideration of climate change policy, the Energy and Commerce Committee held dozens of hearings that have shaped the proposed legislation currently under review, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (ACES). As Chairman, I have worked to ensure that diverse opinions and interests are heard by the committee and that the minority is able to call witnesses, consistent with House rules. You may be interested in an April 27 letter on this issue that I sent to Ranking Member Joe Barton, which is posted at energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090427/aceshearings.pdf To learn more about my work in Congress or sign up for periodic e-mail updates, please visit <iq/server_eval/www.waxman.house.gov> www.waxman.house.gov and <http://energycommerce.house.gov> energycommerce.house.gov. Again, thank you for contacting me and I hope you will continue to keep in touch on issues of concern. With kind regards, I am Sincerely, HENRY A. WAXMAN Member of Congress HAW:IMAIL
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Post by drtee on May 14, 2009 15:48:48 GMT
I am sorry, but I have had letters from congressional and senate members that were more to the point than that of Mr. Waxman. As a note of self-serving partisanship it is pretty good. He did not once answer what I guessed was your question: Why wasn't Lord Moncton allowed to speak either with or right after Al Gore. Typical.
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Post by donmartin on May 16, 2009 20:40:38 GMT
Pooh, the National Geographic articles are consistent with the Western educational system which promotes advocacy, not critical thinking.
per Lockwood: "I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 per cent higher than normal." Just exactly what is normal? If Lockwood believes that atmospheric CO2 content is currently above normal, then he demonstrates no knowledge of the much higher than present CO2 atmospheric content after the KT extinction, which perhaps preserved life on earth.
per Faukal: "--most climate models--including ones used by the Intergovermental Panel on Climate Change -- already incorporate the effects of the Sun's waxing and waning power on Earth's weather." Again, as I asked Steve in a previous thread, please direct me to exactly where in the IPCC reports they "incorporate the effects of the Sun's waxing and waning power on Earth's weather."
per Faukal: "You'll find that this amplitude variance is negligible for climate." Besides from being an inaccessible, obscure statement, I was under the impression that few, if any sunspots were detectable during the Maunder Minimum.
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Post by Pooh on May 16, 2009 22:16:45 GMT
Pooh, the National Geographic articles are consistent with the Western educational system which promotes advocacy, not critical thinking. Sorry, Don . " National Geographic News, thank you for noticing, even with the obligatory disclaimers" was intended to be sarcasm, and illustrated by the quotes. You are absolutely right about areas of Science being overwhelmed by advocacy. There are entirely too many "advocates" passing laws and running things. Now Shakespeare proposed a remedy not available to us: King Henry VI - Part II. Act IV, scene 2, line 84. Dic.k.: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Fortunately or not, our remedy is the vote.
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