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Post by scpg02 on Sept 18, 2010 23:28:31 GMT
That is a very interesting chart. I would love to see that overlaid with the temperature chart. I think that peak of sun activity around 03 04 coincides with that elevated plateau in the temp charts.
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Post by trbixler on Sept 19, 2010 13:56:18 GMT
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Post by Maui on Sept 19, 2010 15:02:47 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Sept 19, 2010 16:44:37 GMT
I notice that the document is not dated but on checking the properties it seems it was created in 2002. The document seems to also show a close correlation to the SSN. Funny how the sun was involved in 2002 but now it is totally CO2 and disruption.
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Post by Maui on Sept 21, 2010 15:39:54 GMT
Failure to find significant correlations seems to be the norm. The most irrefutable mechanism whereby the Sun might influence volcanoes (and thus affect weather) is by affecting rates of nuclear decay, which is usually credited for lithospheric heat production.
(In fact, I believe that nucleogenesis is a significant process in the Earth's crust, but can't get anyone to believe me...)
"Half-life (more or less)," Science News, November 22nd, 2008; Vol. 174 #11
"It’s nuclear physics 101: Radioactivity proceeds at its own pace. Each type of radioactive isotope, be it plutonium-238 or carbon-14, changes into another isotope or element at a specific, universal, immutable rate. This much has been known for more than a century, since Ernest Rutherford defined the notion of half-life—the time it takes for half of the atoms in a radioactive sample to transmute into something else. So when researchers suggested in August that the sun causes variations in the decay rates of isotopes of silicon, chlorine, radium and manganese, the physics community reacted ... (p. 20)"
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Post by Maui on Sept 22, 2010 17:08:41 GMT
Okay, here is a new twist on how the Sun and Earth interact--and it is really a "twist." Note that the last word in the link is "zig-zag:" Solar Storms can Change Directions, Surprising Forecasters science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/21sep_zigzag/This is amazing to me, because I have recently been studying water flow on turbines and a water flow analogy easily illustrates the solar wind and heliosheath termination shock. Everything is connected, everything is analogous: In the kitchen sink analogue, "water flows down into the plane of the" (sink) "from a tap and strikes a flat, inclined surface. The water radiates from the point of impact, much as the solar wind flows outwards from the Sun. It is eventually checked by surrounding water and forms a jump (a hydraulic bore, analogous to the termination shock) that is quasi-circular. The flow of the interstellar medium is represented by a uniform, slow flow of soapy water. The jump in this analogue is turbulent and dynamic, much as the termination shock is observed to be. (Analogue created by K. C. Hsieh, Department of Physics, University of Arizona. Photo by J. R. Jokipii.)" Nature 454, 38-39 (3 July 2008) | doi:10.1038/454038a; Published online 2 July 2008, "Solar System: A shock for Voyager 2," J. R. Jokipii (Department of Planetary Sciences, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA)
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Post by trbixler on Sept 23, 2010 4:38:17 GMT
Failure to find significant correlations seems to be the norm. The most irrefutable mechanism whereby the Sun might influence volcanoes (and thus affect weather) is by affecting rates of nuclear decay, which is usually credited for lithospheric heat production. (In fact, I believe that nucleogenesis is a significant process in the Earth's crust, but can't get anyone to believe me...) "Half-life (more or less)," Science News, November 22nd, 2008; Vol. 174 #11 "It’s nuclear physics 101: Radioactivity proceeds at its own pace. Each type of radioactive isotope, be it plutonium-238 or carbon-14, changes into another isotope or element at a specific, universal, immutable rate. This much has been known for more than a century, since Ernest Rutherford defined the notion of half-life—the time it takes for half of the atoms in a radioactive sample to transmute into something else. So when researchers suggested in August that the sun causes variations in the decay rates of isotopes of silicon, chlorine, radium and manganese, the physics community reacted ... (p. 20)" "More evidence that radioactive decay is not constant" "In December of 2006, Jenkins and Fischbach noticed a decline in the decay of manganese-54 associated with a solar flare--and in fact the decline began a day and a half in advance of the flare. This, according to the Stanford News Service, might form the basis of a warning sensor that could alert the crew of a deep-space exploration mission (for example, to Mars or beyond) that a solar flare was imminent. (Protection from solar flares is theoretically possible, but receiving sufficient warning of a flare to avoid permanent and irreversible cellular injury remains a problem.)" "Jenkins and Fischbach also re-examined the Brookhaven data and verified the seasonal variation. More recently, Peter Sturrock, professor emeritus of physics at Stanford University, suggested to Jenkins and Fischbach that they examine whether the radioactive decay rates varied with the period of the rotation of the sun. His reasoning: the flux of solar neutrinos, the particle that Jenkins and Fischbach held responsible for the variation, is known to vary with the sun's rotation. Jenkins and Fischbach soon found that the decay rates varied according to a 33-day cycle, significantly longer than the 28-day rotation of the sun's surface. Their conclusion was that the sun's core rotates at 33 days, and is the source of the neutrino flux." www.examiner.com/creationism-in-national/more-evidence-that-radioactive-decay-is-not-constant
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Post by Maui on Sept 23, 2010 14:51:10 GMT
The Examiner certainly puts a different spin on this! It points out a weakness in American society: the disconnect among religion, science, and government. I think the Sun is going to be what pulls us back together.
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Post by Maui on Sept 24, 2010 15:08:40 GMT
Here is another glimpse of how the Sun and planets interact. NASA today released a calibrated and validated movie of Saturn's aurorae. From the original caption released with the images: "...On the noon and midnight sides (left and right, respectively), the aurora brightens significantly for extended periods of several hours, suggesting the brightening is connected with the direction of the sun. Other features appear to rotate with the underlying planet, suggesting that these are directly controlled by the direction of Saturn's magnetic field..." see PIA13404: Dancing Southern Lights of Saturn photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA13404
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Post by william on Sept 26, 2010 11:56:19 GMT
The mechanisms noted above as to how the sun affects both the geomagnetic field, earthquake frequency, and volcanic activity frequency are not correct. There is correlation of solar magnetic cycle changes and earthquake frequency and volcanic activity. www.seismonet.org/page.html?id_node=130&id_file=97When looking for mechanism(s) one approach might be to review the observations as a set.
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Post by trbixler on Sept 27, 2010 2:23:07 GMT
Ever wondered where those volcanoes get their power? Then think about how oil is formed, maybe not so fossil. "Fossil Fuel is Nuclear Waste" "The AGW balance sheet shows ONLY solar input. The 259 trillion cubic miles of molten rock that forms our planet is not melted, or maintained at present temperature by solar electromagnetic radiation. This planet is internally warmed by fission of the 700,000 cubic miles of fissionable material burning in our mantle. This factor is ignored because it has never been quantified. Easy to ignore what you cannot measure, but a guaranteed error in any proper science analysis. The objective analysis sparked by the climate fraud is now having a ripple effect across a broad range of science thought. The unintended consequence is that more environmental group think cornerstones are being demolished." climatechangedispatch.com/behind-the-science/7757-fossil-fuel-is-nuclear-waste
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Post by Maui on Sept 27, 2010 15:09:25 GMT
trbixler, I challenge whether nucleogenesis also occurs in Earth, although as with fission it "has never been quantified."
Stephen Sohinki at the Nuclear Security Administration wrote me in 2001, asking if I could account for anomalous fusion by-products in volcanoes. I still don't know exactly how it works, but my hunches are increasingly affirmed by observations.
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Post by trbixler on Oct 4, 2010 14:29:44 GMT
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Post by Maui on Oct 5, 2010 16:20:28 GMT
It took me a while to figure out the graphs--sunspot number shows an inverse relationship (zero is at the top). The whole universe seems to have a pulse...
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Post by trbixler on Oct 26, 2010 13:00:31 GMT
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