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Post by thermostat on Jul 10, 2011 1:21:33 GMT
Most votes (74%) in the poll suggest sea ice will exceed 4.5 by September Will we all be wrong? since this is a denialist-dominated website, it would be amazing if you WEREN'T all wrong Richard, Well said. Back on June 14th I posted this comment in repsonse to a Numerouno comment; "Numerouno, While my guess was 4.5, your guessing 4.15 was certainly reasonable, especially in light of the current Arcus predictions. What is harder to understand is all of those guesses on this forum of greater than 5.0. What are all of those high numbers based on?" Let me repeat my question; forum majority, what are all of your high estimates based on? The wheel's still in spin. This is an interesting time to step up and defend 5.5. |
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Post by numerouno on Jul 10, 2011 13:07:35 GMT
No Sea Ice News at WUWT, still. Watts today joining Goddard in "We Post Old Newspaper Clippings" club. Obituaries section expanded as well.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2011 14:56:52 GMT
Most votes (74%) in the poll suggest sea ice will exceed 4.5 by September Will we all be wrong? since this is a denialist-dominated website, it would be amazing if you WEREN'T all wrong Funny how I odn't see any denialists here. Climate Science is not a wrong or right issue. There are many assumptions used to try and prove AGW. What I see here are questions as to the validity of those assumptions. By not having a moderator clipping posts etc, the discussion is very forthright and this is a much better forum for discussing issues that some others I have visited as of late. There are very verrrrrrrry valid questions which are presented here. The results of studies can be freely discussed. Yes, once in a while a person looses his head, but I would hope you have noticed for the most past the discussion is done in a civil manner. And it is supported by real world observations. That is the KEY. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2011 17:00:55 GMT
Back to ice and black carbon. China's coal production and consumption have increased by approx 1500 million short tons in the past 10 years. The additional load of BC to the Arctic ice from China is enough to make the 3.5 very plausable and I expect it to happen.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 10, 2011 19:09:20 GMT
The additional load of BC to the Arctic ice from China is enough to make the 3.5 very plausable and I expect it to happen.
Says Dr Ho of the Arctic-Oriental Atmospheric Institution in Sangri-La of Tungustan.
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Post by richard on Jul 10, 2011 19:29:57 GMT
since this is a denialist-dominated website, it would be amazing if you WEREN'T all wrong Funny how I odn't see any denialists here. Climate Science is not a wrong or right issue. Sure it is! AGW is happening right now. Your comment is akin to watching a house burn down and opening a debate as to whether the house is on fire or not. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2011 19:35:52 GMT
Funny how I odn't see any denialists here. Climate Science is not a wrong or right issue. Sure it is! AGW is happening right now. Your comment is akin to watching a house burn down and opening a debate as to whether the house is on fire or not. Richard: In your opinion AGW is happening now. I will make an assumption....that you are basing that opinion on climate models....is that a fair assumption? |
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2011 19:42:12 GMT
The additional load of BC to the Arctic ice from China is enough to make the 3.5 very plausable and I expect it to happen. Says Dr Ho of the Arctic-Oriental Atmospheric Institution in Sangri-La of Tungustan. Yep....that Dr. Ho is a pretty astute feller don't ya think? |
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Post by magellan on Jul 10, 2011 22:12:12 GMT
The additional load of BC to the Arctic ice from China is enough to make the 3.5 very plausable and I expect it to happen. Says Dr Ho of the Arctic-Oriental Atmospheric Institution in Sangri-La of Tungustan. It is customary to link to sources. |
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Post by s12a on Jul 11, 2011 8:54:20 GMT
Hello everybody, I don't know if this is the right thread for such a question, but could somebody redirect me to sources describing the possible effects on global ocean currents (and wind patterns, etc), were arctic sea ice to completely or almost completely melt?
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Post by hairball on Jul 11, 2011 9:56:43 GMT
s12a, The models have proven unable to do regional, continental or global scale climate prediction. Nevertheless, the Potsdam Institute for Climate Propaganda had a paper late last year claiming less sea-ice might cause colder winters further south. They reasoned that the heat released when so much open water froze might create blocking high pressure systems and possibly disrupt the jet stream. This, however, would cause considerable cooling of the Earth. www.pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/archive/2010/global-warming-could-cool-down-temperatures-in-winterIn any case, the planet would have to heat up a hell of a lot for the Arctic to be ice-free for more than a few weeks. The six months of darkness at -30°C just freezes it all back once the Sun sets. Before reading the full German paper, be advised that the press release contains this monument to gibberish: "It ranges from warming to cooling to warming again, as sea ice decreases." |
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Post by numerouno on Jul 11, 2011 19:34:42 GMT
The six months of darkness at -30°C just freezes it all back once the Sun sets.
There's no such thing as "six months at 30C that freezes all back at once". Take a good look at the IJIS' yearly extent chart. Where's the "all at once" part of the chart?
Sigurdur, I'm paying 50 USD towards charity for the full real-life Artcic soot link from "Dr Ho" from you.
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Post by hairball on Jul 11, 2011 21:50:24 GMT
Numero said,
"I'm paying 50 USD from the Arctic soot charity for real-life full Ho from you Dr., towards link."
Important Finnish syntax is in?
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Post by richard on Jul 11, 2011 22:23:12 GMT
Sure it is! AGW is happening right now. Your comment is akin to watching a house burn down and opening a debate as to whether the house is on fire or not. Richard: In your opinion AGW is happening now. I will make an assumption....that you are basing that opinion on climate models....is that a fair assumption? Nope. I'm basing that on the fact that every decade in recent memory has been warmer than the one before. I'm basing it on the fact that all physics supports the conclusion. Models, well, they're irrelevant to the issue other than they try to quantify the facts. |
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Post by hairball on Jul 12, 2011 0:11:07 GMT
Richard, Regarding "all physics supports the conclusion"; Prof. Lindzen commented on the missing tropical tropospheric hotspot in an interview the other day. He said "The models are right and there's something wrong with the data . . . the data is violating the basic physical principles."trainradio.blogspot.com/Reality is a physics denialeralist. |
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