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Post by stanb999 on Jul 19, 2011 16:25:31 GMT
stan The ocean is colder at the surface than it is at depth. As I keep saying, the ocean is continuously cooling (evaporation, radiation etc.). The Sun stops it freezing (except at high latitudes). The cooling is moderated by the atmosphere. No you postulate it's not radiating as much. Well maybe a tiny bit less. What do you think will happen if the surface of the ocean is heated a bit more. Will it radiate more or evaporate more? We know the air near the ocean or any air for that matter. Can't hold much total heat.. So how is the heat removed? The cooling is unaffected by atmospheric CO2. The heat capacity of co2 in the atmosphere isn't large enough to make a difference. Funny the atmosphere cools fastest and to a greater extent in areas where the least amount of the hidden molecule is. The one we don't speak of. Even over the ocean areas.
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Post by steve on Jul 20, 2011 9:55:13 GMT
stan
Interesting that you bring up "heat capacity" now. The heat capacity of CO2 has little or nothing to do with the "greenhouse effect". Perhaps you could expand on your thinking.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 23, 2011 18:21:44 GMT
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 23, 2011 20:55:27 GMT
Only read the header but 10% water vapor change in any part of the atmosphere sounds like a bigger driver than CO2 change of 100ppm. Have you some extracts Sig?
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 23, 2011 21:03:16 GMT
Only read the header but 10% water vapor change in any part of the atmosphere sounds like a bigger driver than CO2 change of 100ppm. Have you some extracts Sig? Not yet. IF I can't find a source somewhere, I am going to the state library route to get a copy. My nephew may be able to get a copy at the University as well.
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Post by trbixler on Jul 26, 2011 20:17:53 GMT
Ah every model is so sensitive to AGW. Well maybe they should check the actual flow. "Pielke Sr. on new Spencer and Braswell paper" "“The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show,” Spencer said. “There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.” Not only does the atmosphere release more energy than previously thought, it starts releasing it earlier in a warming cycle. The models forecast that the climate should continue to absorb solar energy until a warming event peaks. Instead, the satellite data shows the climate system starting to shed energy more than three months before the typical warming event reaches its peak. “At the peak, satellites show energy being lost while climate models show energy still being gained,” Spencer said. This is the first time scientists have looked at radiative balances during the months before and after these transient temperature peaks." wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/26/pielke-sr-on-new-spencer-and-braswell-paper/#more-44091
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