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Post by sigurdur on Mar 4, 2012 0:35:49 GMT
Early signs of spring in the USA always include tornadoes. The clash of cold verses warm. The NAO is going negative, allowing cold Arctic air to stream right on down, and with it more tornadoes. I wish AGW had been correct. It is easy to see that during cooling periods tornadoes are much worse. www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.html#history |
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 4, 2012 2:38:41 GMT
"I wish AGW had been correct. It is easy to see that during cooling periods tornadoes are much worse."
Sig, I would not be willing to write off AGW just yet.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 4, 2012 4:25:54 GMT
Glenn:
I have no doubt that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. What I do doubt it the much heralded sensativity level of 3.0C warming.
I posted a paper somewhere on this site that is recent, that showed the radiation budget was not as out of whack as earlier thought.
Call it my gut feeling from observation, but a bit more warmth just doesn't scare me. My mother is of Icelandic decent, and there were old stories, most of I have forgotten, but a few stick with me. Iceland has been wayyy warmer in the recent past....1,000 year past, than it is now. It has also been colder, one of the reasons my double great grandparents came to Canada originally. The church split, and a bunch of them migrated south to ND. So here I am.....LOL.
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 5, 2012 19:22:36 GMT
Sig, My truck looked like this when I woke up this morning. Hopefully some of this moisture will head your way. The Drought Monitor shows it getting worse for your region. Attachments:
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Post by w7psk on Mar 5, 2012 19:42:19 GMT
Actually had someone post locally on mynorthwest.com about the snow today that "Cold and Snow are sure signs of Global Warming and Scientist told us longer and colder winters are the result" mynorthwest.com/public/comment/group/cms/638928Really !! I believe I read the the Ice would melt and it would be warm everywhere. Now your telling me Global warming is Longer and colder Winters. YISH |
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Post by trbixler on Mar 5, 2012 23:38:41 GMT
Sig, My truck looked like this when I woke up this morning. Hopefully some of this moisture will head your way. The Drought Monitor shows it getting worse for your region. Now you are doing it. It is beautiful here in PDR. |
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 6, 2012 4:21:13 GMT
trbixler, guilty as charged. However they have had so much snow here in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta that even the locals are a little suprised. Up til now it there has been very little snow. It's really shocking for a guy from Texas!
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 6, 2012 13:02:28 GMT
We are getting light snow very often now. Snow depth is up to approx 10", and there is forcast for more.
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 6, 2012 16:08:35 GMT
sig, what is the snow depth normally this time of year?
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 6, 2012 16:53:43 GMT
glenn:
It varies so much year to year. Prob 20" or so at this time of year. We normally don't get a lot of snow during the winter. March brings us snow/rain, that is a higher month for precip than Dec/Jan/Feb.
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 6, 2012 19:20:09 GMT
sig, I hope you get the perfect amount of precip to make up for rising fuel prices.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 6, 2012 23:33:44 GMT
Thank you Glenn. That is an ongoing concern as the price of fuel affects all input costs.
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Mar 7, 2012 22:42:31 GMT
Actually had someone post locally on mynorthwest.com about the snow today that "Cold and Snow are sure signs of Global Warming and Scientist told us longer and colder winters are the result" mynorthwest.com/public/comment/group/cms/638928Really !! I believe I read the the Ice would melt and it would be warm everywhere. Now your telling me Global warming is Longer and colder Winters. YISH Well, you are half right. The problem is that you seem to think that something can disprove AGW. This could not be farther from the truth. Remember the first rule of AGW. If it is hot, it is proof of AGW. If it is cold, also proof of AGW. If it rains, it was caused by AGW. If it is sunny, proof of AGW. There is nothing that is not "consistent" with AGW. On a more personal note: We just went over 10 feet of snow for the season. Another 5 inches or so before the 1st of June and we will set a new record for most snow. Of course all of this happened when our temperatures were normal to below normal. Imagine how much snow we would have if the missing heat ever comes out of hiding. It would be worse then we thought! Oh yes, one other thing. Earlier this year an avalanche dropped about 8 feet of very wet, dense snow on top of the 6 feet of snow already covering most of my woodpile. (It missed the house by about 12 feet. Then we had a blizzard (the 6th one of the year at that time) and the new shape of the mountain caused another 5 feet or so of snow to end up there. Since then we have had another three feet of snow plus one more blizzard. I don't expect to see the ground in that area of my yard until late July. It might not all melt if we have a cool summer. That my friend is a sign of global warming. The fix (for me) is easy: Step one: Secure about 8 more cords of firewood early this spring and get it seasoning. Step two: As soon as the snow melts (cross fingers) and the ground thaws. (cross toes) Get a dozer out here and extend and enhance the avalanche berm above the house. Step three: Invest in a larger snow thrower. My 26 horsepower 42" cut just is not getting it done. |
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 9, 2012 2:44:26 GMT
Well, today was a somewhat normal early March day in the Upper Great Plains. Strong NW wind, snow blowing across the road, making the roads realllllllly icy. So icy in fact, that when one of the trucks I was going to load today stopped at a stop sign and the wind blew the trailer into the ditch. OK........trailer in the ditch.....called my local fert dealer. Your payloader plugged in?........Yep.......can you go pull a truck out for me?........Yep......
The payloader had the chain hooked to the tow hooks of the truck, two County Sheriffs were directing traffic.....every thing going well.....right?.....Right! Then a state patrolman shows up.......and orders the payloader to unhook and go back. Tells the truck he will have to get a commercial tow truck to pull him out. Sooooo....State trumps county......payloader went home, the truck waited for 2 hours for a wrecker to get there. Meanwhile, the state trooper has to get out in a 40mph wind.....temp of 15F.......and direct traffic cause of his stupidity. Wrecker gets there, pulls truck further onto road so the trailer follows.....and costs the trucking co. 300.00 bucks. So......now we have a state trooper tied up for 3 hours, the trucking co out 300.00 bucks.....and it would have all been taken care of for 20 bucks, and maybe a case of beer.
And folks wonder why one questions state/federal thinking??????????????????
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 9, 2012 15:41:42 GMT
sigurdur, I feel your pain. A perfect example of a lack of common sense. I will say that in Texas the state cop would probably have hooked up a chain to his cruiser and helped pull.
However, it was a good day for the towing company who made 300.00!
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