|
Post by Ratty on Feb 5, 2017 4:12:18 GMT
Never thought I'd have to ask but ...... Missouriboy's SOH is obviously more advanced than mine. DOG YEARS?
|
|
|
Post by missouriboy on Feb 5, 2017 6:48:54 GMT
Never thought I'd have to ask but ...... Missouriboy's SOH is obviously more advanced than mine. DOG YEARS? One dog year is equal to about 6. human years. My dog taught me that.
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Feb 5, 2017 12:12:07 GMT
Pure obfuscation. Are you or are you not the guy in the beanie? PS: If you are, I want access to your servers.
|
|
|
Post by missouriboy on Feb 5, 2017 15:04:15 GMT
Pure obfuscation. Are you or are you not the guy in the beanie? PS: If you are, I want access to your servers. Forsooth, the beanie does not fit. With those servers you could become the Dr Phibes of climate science. Warmarch of the priests. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OM18mJwMDM
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Feb 5, 2017 15:09:22 GMT
The price is right.
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Feb 11, 2017 18:11:19 GMT
|
|
|
Post by acidohm on Feb 11, 2017 18:29:01 GMT
Thing is....it's not as if the whole Northern hemisphere is warmer and the warmth in the arctic reflects this... There is a pretty big meridional disturbance in the usual westerly flow, warm air going north. ..cold air coming south. The air is mixing...very different to warming. In fact Sig as you and others point out, if warm air heads to the pole, overall cooling is probably occurring!!
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Feb 11, 2017 18:40:06 GMT
Warm air migrating to the poles is the worst thing that can happen, in regards to over all earth temperatures. Graywolf is correct to be worried about lower ice, but for all the wrong reasons.
I still don't think he grasps the climatic effect of warm air at the poles, and in fact what is happening to earth's heat. It is leaving......fast! The oceans will buffer this for awhile, but that state can't last forever either.
The only thing we, as humans, can hope for is that the level of clouds over the oceans in the tropics stays low. CO2 bandwidth does squat to ocean heat. UV bandwidth warms the oceans, like a large heat sink that is then distributed over earth via atmospheric actions and currents. The prime example that Graywolf should understand is the Gulf Current, and its effects on Europe. The warmth doesn't originate in Europe, but so far it gets there to ameliorate the cold temperatures that should be present.
The push, in regards to CO2 effects, has come to the point of ruining actual research in order to come to a better understanding of drivers that DO regulate climate.
|
|
|
Post by acidohm on Feb 11, 2017 19:07:54 GMT
For sure....however one thing I learnt about N Europe climate...
The gulf stream supports a milder average temp here, but once the predominant wind turns from the west to the east, temperatures plummet pretty severely.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons the LIA was 'harder' to find in other parts of the world?? High pressure blocking associated with low solar activity draws an easterly over N Europe, temps can drop easy 10-15°c from average. ...
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Feb 11, 2017 19:23:43 GMT
For sure....however one thing I learnt about N Europe climate... The gulf stream supports a milder average temp here, but once the predominant wind turns from the west to the east, temperatures plummet pretty severely. Perhaps this is one of the reasons the LIA was 'harder' to find in other parts of the world?? High pressure blocking associated with low solar activity draws an easterly over N Europe, temps can drop easy 10-15°c from average. ... I agree 100%, in regards to LIA readings. We do know that it was a Northern Hemispheric event. The Sargasso Sea proxies indicate it was also a Northern Southern Hemispheric event. We also know, with a certain bit of confidence, that the sun was quiet during the LIA. This brings us back to TSI. It doesn't change much, but the climate of most of earth can, and does, change a lot even with a pretty static TSI. What we are learning is that the composition of said TSI has a LOT of variation, depending on what the sun is doing. This is a "gray" area, as not much study has been done on it. It should be studied more, would be a good purchase of scarce research dollars. The problem is, the CO2 studies are consuming the vast majority of research dollars. It has become a whole industry that feeds on itself. Which is a normal reaction, you go where the money is. IF nothing else, the election of President Trump has caused a great deal of anxiety in the CO2 researchers behavior. Perhaps the USA will observe a scientific Renaissance? Where scare dollars are given to those that disprove the hypothesis? One can hope. After all, the science is settled in regards to CO2 research is it not? That is what I keep reading anyways.
|
|
|
Post by acidohm on Feb 11, 2017 20:02:30 GMT
For sure....however one thing I learnt about N Europe climate... The gulf stream supports a milder average temp here, but once the predominant wind turns from the west to the east, temperatures plummet pretty severely. Perhaps this is one of the reasons the LIA was 'harder' to find in other parts of the world?? High pressure blocking associated with low solar activity draws an easterly over N Europe, temps can drop easy 10-15°c from average. ... I agree 100%, in regards to LIA readings. We do know that it was a Northern Hemispheric event. The Sargasso Sea proxies indicate it was also a Northern Southern Hemispheric event. We also know, with a certain bit of confidence, that the sun was quiet during the LIA. This brings us back to TSI. It doesn't change much, but the climate of most of earth can, and does, change a lot even with a pretty static TSI. What we are learning is that the composition of said TSI has a LOT of variation, depending on what the sun is doing. This is a "gray" area, as not much study has been done on it. It should be studied more, would be a good purchase of scarce research dollars. The problem is, the CO2 studies are consuming the vast majority of research dollars. It has become a whole industry that feeds on itself. Which is a normal reaction, you go where the money is. IF nothing else, the election of President Trump has caused a great deal of anxiety in the CO2 researchers behavior. Perhaps the USA will observe a scientific Renaissance? Where scare dollars are given to those that disprove the hypothesis? One can hope. After all, the science is settled in regards to CO2 research is it not? That is what I keep reading anyways. Believe what you read and you can turn your brain off and focus on important things like kardashians and beibers hair...
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Feb 11, 2017 20:12:05 GMT
Who?? What??
Damn.....I am out of the loop AGAIN!
|
|
|
Post by acidohm on Feb 11, 2017 21:21:38 GMT
:-D
|
|
|
Post by mondeoman on Feb 11, 2017 22:26:43 GMT
Are we seeing clear skies over the Arctic to allow the "heat" to escape? I get that warm air in the Arctic doesn't equate to a warming arctic per se, but have we got any measure of the quantity of energy that is escaping eg reducing humidity, reducing global enthalpy
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Feb 11, 2017 23:58:42 GMT
|
|