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Post by acidohm on Mar 17, 2019 8:08:33 GMT
Which is strange considering how hot the anomaly maps seem to show the Arctic - as quoted by Grey Wolf above. And there is all that snow in Seattle and extra snow in the Rockies amazing considering how warm that map is. Someone is adjusting - I tend to trust DMI Temps are currently just below av. Hoever the anomoly map is for Jan, when dmi shows temps were generally above average??
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 17, 2019 12:42:19 GMT
Try to find an anomaly map that does not show the Arctic (and for that matter Antarctic) as 'warm'
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Post by icefisher on Mar 18, 2019 18:51:52 GMT
Has China stopped burning coal these days or is it now 'clean' coal devoid of sulphates and particulates? Th uK ( at least) had been supplying 'scrubbing' technology to the Chinese along with our expertise in construction. Unlike the West , who had to develop such kit, the chinese are able to buy it off the shelf ( nick the plans and make their own) but obviously were not that serious about it all until Beijing stopped seeing the sun over winter and tens of thousands of folk began dying via resp. conditions...... The Chinese have also clocked that if you build kit that then turns wind/sun/waves into the electricity you're after you don't have to pay the coal man every week........ and they like that! So governments are smarter than profit seeking billionaires? Not exactly the way it works. The government taxes the people and pours tons of that money into the ventures of family, friends, and associates. And yes they don't have to pay the coalminer. Put its an incomplete chain of accountability. Its not what the government perceives its best interest is. Its what the people perceive who end up paying a lot more for energy especially when you count both what they pay for energy and what they pay in taxes for energy. You need to pull back that wool lined tin foil hat the socialists gave you for free.
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Post by icefisher on Mar 18, 2019 19:08:19 GMT
I think I was as shocked as most other folk with the drop we saw in 07'? Up until that juncture I'd assumed 'ice free' was as long way into our warming? The changes we have seen across the basin this past 5 years has done nothing but convince me that instead of waiting for 'big events' to come around and take the ice we should have been witnessing the basin preparing itself to go 'ice free' over 'average' seasons? Though hampered by the extent/area confines ( 15% or more) a visual check of the amount of open water,compered to floes, above 80N will show a steady increase in open water over melt seasons end compared to previous seasons and a decrease in the average flow size as we move forward in time If the areas with lowest insolation for the shortest period is headed in this direction then what of the areas we now consider seasonally ice free and the dates of that 'ice free' periods onset. The recent addition of bering and the bering half of beaufort to the 'early ice free' club must bring impacts via the added energy they can now absorb and pass into the basin. Anyhoo's this might already be into melt season 2019 and another year within the time range for the perfect melt storm to come around again? With the timings for the 'over 7,000' pingo like hillocks that grew across Yamal in 2016 , also now up for going pop ( according to Prof Semiletov) it will be another long and interesting season! Remember the I.P.O. puts up to 0.5c worth of warming into its Ocean areas of impact and we have only been in its positive phase since 2014? Already Antarctica's sea ice appears to have responded to the flip and Bering ,this past 2 years, also seems to be holding less ice/melting out earlier? As this 'natural forcing' increases (warming the sst's)so will the AGW 'warming signals' also warm the waters and all complimented by the areas of the Pacific that China's sulphates/particulates blighted the past couple of decades, seeing ever more of the energy, currently available at the top of the atmosphere, to again be reaching the surface below as China continues to clean up its act and so clean their immediate atmosphere (and so also warming the waters it hits). All in all the Alaskan current will be feeding ever warmer , ever saltier, waters into the Pacific side of the basin for the rest of I.P.O's positive phase ( another 26 years?). I wonder how close , on the surface , Atlantic waters are now from the Pacific waters in the central Basin? Thats interesting Graywolf. I am not aware of any Pacific Ocean originating water in the arctic. What is the name of the current that carries it there?
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Post by douglavers on Apr 4, 2019 7:56:48 GMT
[[Antarctica could go green as a result of climate change, scientists warn Experts say level of carbon dioxide in atmosphere could lead to conditions comparable with three million years ago]]
The Independant [UK newspaper] 4_4_19
Depth of unreality?
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Post by Ratty on Apr 4, 2019 9:31:44 GMT
[[Antarctica could go green as a result of climate change, scientists warn Experts say level of carbon dioxide in atmosphere could lead to conditions comparable with three million years ago]] The Independant [UK newspaper] 4_4_19 Depth of unreality?There is a lot of that about ....
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 4, 2019 11:01:43 GMT
[[Antarctica could go green as a result of climate change, scientists warn Experts say level of carbon dioxide in atmosphere could lead to conditions comparable with three million years ago]] The Independant [UK newspaper] 4_4_19 Depth of unreality?There is a lot of that about .... This comes from using a rising average of minimum and maximum temperatures where the rise is due to minimum temperatures not being as cold. Then projecting that rising average forward as if it will be a rise in the top temperatures. Whereas the top temperatures are actually slowly cooling.
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Post by graywolf on Apr 4, 2019 11:28:09 GMT
Jaxa still showing us record low for the time of year.
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 20, 2019 17:09:23 GMT
"German Analyses: Bevis et al 2019 Misrepresents Greenland Ice Melt Data, Falsely Claims Accelerating Ice Melt
When Greenland ice melt data are correctly presented, Greenland it has in fact decelerated recently, thus contradicting alarmist claims by a new paper’s authors. The “Illi omnia experti“ climate science By Uli Weber (Translated/edited by P Gosselin) Already in January 2019 a very peculiar scientific publication on the allegedly increasing glacier melt had been a topic here on Die Kalte Sonne under the title ‘Faktenwäsche’? (fact laundering?,) which came to a very different result.
Result: From the diagrams A to D by Bevis et al. (2019) it can be deduced that, contrary to the predicted trend, the loss of Greenland ice mass has decreased considerably since 2013."notrickszone.com/2019/04/20/german-analyses-bevis-et-al-2019-misrepresents-greenland-ice-melt-data-falsely-claims-accelerating-ice-melt/
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Post by graywolf on Apr 23, 2019 11:55:52 GMT
JAXA still showing sea ice extent at its lowest ever for this date? Will the whole of April be a record low?
It's a 'perfect melt storm synoptic' rate of loss yet no perfect melt storm???
Is the winter preconditioning now showing impact with any old weather taking ice early doors?
Anyhoos GFS forecasts a bit of a warm one over on the Pacific side of the basin (loss of the rest of Bering/Okhotsk?) and a mega dipole with winds pushing the ice straight from the Pacific entrance across to the Atlantic entrance.
There is plenty of room in the Atlantic entrance areas for that ice to flow into and on into aggressive melt in the N.Atlantic.
When floes are so small it take little to get them moving and causes a lot of mechanical degradation via the 'bumping' that goes on rounding off the floes and leaving 'slush puppy ice' between them.
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Post by Ratty on Apr 23, 2019 12:35:16 GMT
JAXA still showing sea ice extent at its lowest ever for this date? Will the whole of April be a record low? Record low? Compared to ..... ?It's a 'perfect melt storm synoptic' rate of loss yet no perfect melt storm??? Can you elaborate?Is the winter preconditioning now showing impact with any old weather taking ice early doors? Old Weather? Can you elaborate?Anyhoos GFS forecasts a bit of a warm one over on the Pacific side of the basin (loss of the rest of Bering/Okhotsk?) and a mega dipole with winds pushing the ice straight from the Pacific entrance across to the Atlantic entrance. Looks bad? How do you think the Summer will finish, ice wise?There is plenty of room in the Atlantic entrance areas for that ice to flow into and on into aggressive melt in the N.Atlantic. No argument with that.When floes are so small it take little to get them moving and causes a lot of mechanical degradation via the 'bumping' that goes on rounding off the floes and leaving 'slush puppy ice' between them.[ Does the slush puppy ice melt more quickly?
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 23, 2019 16:59:36 GMT
JAXA still showing sea ice extent at its lowest ever for this date? Will the whole of April be a record low? Record low? Compared to ..... ?It's a 'perfect melt storm synoptic' rate of loss yet no perfect melt storm??? Can you elaborate?Is the winter preconditioning now showing impact with any old weather taking ice early doors? Old Weather? Can you elaborate?Anyhoos GFS forecasts a bit of a warm one over on the Pacific side of the basin (loss of the rest of Bering/Okhotsk?) and a mega dipole with winds pushing the ice straight from the Pacific entrance across to the Atlantic entrance. Looks bad? How do you think the Summer will finish, ice wise?There is plenty of room in the Atlantic entrance areas for that ice to flow into and on into aggressive melt in the N.Atlantic. No argument with that.When floes are so small it take little to get them moving and causes a lot of mechanical degradation via the 'bumping' that goes on rounding off the floes and leaving 'slush puppy ice' between them.[ Does the slush puppy ice melt more quickly? Sig. Time to warm up the wish machine again. Good contrast there Ratty. Very pleasing to the eye.
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 27, 2019 9:18:36 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Apr 27, 2019 18:16:06 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Apr 27, 2019 23:51:14 GMT
This inference needs further confirmation in future studies. Of course.
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