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Post by acidohm on Feb 26, 2015 16:13:35 GMT
Artic temperatures rose just as quickly from 1915 to 1935 Levels of CO2 well below 300ppm back then Faster even!
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Feb 26, 2015 17:32:43 GMT
It's cycles. The climate is full of them, and anyone who looks can see them. Never does a trend continue indefinitely in one direction. Despite that, many of my CAGW believer friends see just that. Take Mr. Graywolf for example. Every current trend that would support CAGW theory takes us to a new record and doom according to him. The fact that his predictions routinely fail doesn't seem to change that viewpoint.
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Post by graywolf on Feb 27, 2015 11:20:38 GMT
Area and extent still bumping along the bottom of the series and some seriously warm air pushing into the basin looks to keep this trend stable? Fram is also seeing another uptick in its output. The loss of the multiyear landfast ice in 2012 appears to aide the ice flow around the NE Tip of Greenland where the old expanse of grounded landfast ice used to halt/slow its progress. The fracturing and compression along the north coast of Greenland has also seemed to produce ice the is able to flow easily being well rounded floes?
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 27, 2015 14:46:23 GMT
Area and extent still bumping along the bottom of the series and some seriously warm air pushing into the basin looks to keep this trend stable? Fram is also seeing another uptick in its output. The loss of the multiyear landfast ice in 2012 appears to aide the ice flow around the NE Tip of Greenland where the old expanse of grounded landfast ice used to halt/slow its progress. The fracturing and compression along the north coast of Greenland has also seemed to produce ice the is able to flow easily being well rounded floes? Yep, that is what is happening. Just like it did ohhhhhhhh about 5,000 years before present. The world didn't end then, probably won't now. Ya know, when I was young 5,000 years seemed like one heck of a long time. Now that the Good Lord has given me age........ 5,000 years isn't a very long time.
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Post by nonentropic on Feb 27, 2015 23:03:14 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 27, 2015 23:15:56 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 27, 2015 23:21:34 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Feb 27, 2015 23:49:38 GMT
[ Snip ] Ya know, when I was young 5,000 years seemed like one heck of a long time. Now that the Good Lord has given me age........ 5,000 years isn't a very long time. You'd grow a few good callouses, farming over that time.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 28, 2015 1:25:46 GMT
True, but when 20, 100 years seemed a very long time. Now that I am older, (note.....NOT old)......a century is short...and 5,000 years is just not that long ago.......funny how time changes perspective.
And I haven't gotten smart enough yet to avoid getting callouses....sheeesh..........LOL.
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Feb 28, 2015 14:54:16 GMT
True, but when 20, 100 years seemed a very long time. Now that I am older, (note.....NOT old)......a century is short...and 5,000 years is just not that long ago.......funny how time changes perspective. And I haven't gotten smart enough yet to avoid getting callouses....sheeesh..........LOL. While much has changed in the last 5000 years, much is the same. 5000 years ago people lived in cities and were fed by the efforts of people like you, Sig; folks who farmed the land using well developed agricultural techniques. Animals had been domesticated, and in many societies, metal working was flourishing. Although the population of the world was counted in tens of millions, humans were already having an impact on the environment. What do you think the world will look like 5000 years from now?
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 28, 2015 15:34:55 GMT
True, but when 20, 100 years seemed a very long time. Now that I am older, (note.....NOT old)......a century is short...and 5,000 years is just not that long ago.......funny how time changes perspective. And I haven't gotten smart enough yet to avoid getting callouses....sheeesh..........LOL. While much has changed in the last 5000 years, much is the same. 5000 years ago people lived in cities and were fed by the efforts of people like you, Sig; folks who farmed the land using well developed agricultural techniques. Animals had been domesticated, and in many societies, metal working was flourishing. Although the population of the world was counted in tens of millions, humans were already having an impact on the environment. What do you think the world will look like 5000 years from now? " What do you think the world will look like 5000 years from now?" Around the same as it did 9000 years ago. A huge amount of ice a few kilometers deep over the area of the old Laurentide ice sheet with the North of the Gulf of Mexico looking like Hudson Bay does right now mainly frozen. The remnants of the civilization that went before just relearning how to live off the land without any power. The Mediterranean landlocked and a small shrinking freshwater lake. Most of Europe almost permanently frozen tundra. People gathering around fires at night telling stories handed down to them about the past and the youngsters thinking that grandad is telling those old fairy stories again.... Could never happen??? " Vimanas are mentioned even today in standard Indian literature and media reports. An article called “Flight Path” by the Indian journalist Mukul Sharma appeared in the major newspaper The Times of India on April 8, 1999 which talked about vimanas and ancient warfare: according to some interpretations of surviving texts, India’s future it seems happened way back in the past. Take the case of the Yantra Sarvasva, said to have been written by the sage Maharshi Bhardwaj.
This consists of as many as 40 sections of which one, the Vaimanika Prakarana dealing with aeronautics, has 8 chapters, a hundred topics and 500 sutras.
In it Bhardwaj describes vimana, or aerial aircrafts, as being of three classes:
1. those that travel from place to place; 2. those that travel from one country to another; 3. those that travel between planets.
Of special concern among these were the military planes whose functions were delineated in some very considerable detail and which read today like something clean out of science fiction.
For instance, they had to be:
Impregnable, unbreakable, non-combustible and indestructible capable of coming to a dead stop in the twinkling of an eye; invisible to enemies; capable of listening to the conversations and sounds in hostile planes; technically proficient to see and record things, persons, incidents and situations going on inside enemy planes; know at every stage the direction of the movement of other aircraft in the vicinity; capable of rendering the enemy crew into a state of suspended animation, intellectual torpor or complete loss of consciousness; capable of destruction; manned by pilots and co-travelers who could adapt in accordance with the climate in which they moved; temperature regulated inside; constructed of very light and heat absorbing metals; provided with mechanisms that could enlarge or reduce images and enhance or diminish sounds." Technology of the Gods - The Incredible Sciences of the Ancients Well you asked
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Post by walnut on Feb 28, 2015 15:39:02 GMT
Jericho was already a 5000 year old city when Joshua and the Israelites sacked it. Without some "global warming", humans would not have come up as they did.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 28, 2015 15:57:56 GMT
True, but when 20, 100 years seemed a very long time. Now that I am older, (note.....NOT old)......a century is short...and 5,000 years is just not that long ago.......funny how time changes perspective. And I haven't gotten smart enough yet to avoid getting callouses....sheeesh..........LOL. While much has changed in the last 5000 years, much is the same. 5000 years ago people lived in cities and were fed by the efforts of people like you, Sig; folks who farmed the land using well developed agricultural techniques. Animals had been domesticated, and in many societies, metal working was flourishing. Although the population of the world was counted in tens of millions, humans were already having an impact on the environment. What do you think the world will look like 5000 years from now? What do I think the world will look like 5,000 years from now? It depends if we are in a climate period similar to MIS-11, or a normal interglacial period. If MIS-11 type, there will be self induced population control. Will have to be. Other than that? I don't know. Mankinds ability to invent will never stop. And where those inventions lead us???
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 28, 2015 16:17:42 GMT
hol.sagepub.com/content/24/1/93.abstractHolocene sea surface temperatures in the eastern Fram Strait are reconstructed based on Mg/Ca ratios measured on the planktic foraminifer Neogloboquadrina pachyderma (sin). The reconstructed sub sea surface temperatures (sSSTMg/Ca) fluctuate markedly during the earliest Holocene at ~11.7 and 10.5 kyr BP. This is probably in response to the varying presence of sea-ice and deglacial meltwater. Between ~10.5–7.9 kyr BP, the sSSTMg/Ca values are relatively high (~4°C) and more stable reflecting high insolation and intensified poleward advection of Atlantic Water. After 7.9 kyr BP, the sSSTMg/Ca values decline to an average of ~3°C throughout the mid-Holocene. These changes can be attributed to a combined effect of reduced poleward oceanic heat advection and a decline in insolation as well as a gradually increased influence of eastward migrating Arctic Water. The sSSTMg/Ca values increase and vary between 2.1°C and 5.8°C from ~2.7 kyr BP to the present. This warming is in contrast to declining late-Holocene insolation and may instead be explained by factors including increased advection of oceanic heat to the Arctic region possibly insulated beneath a widening freshwater layer in the northern North Atlantic in conjunction with a shift in calcification season and/or depth habitat of N. pachyderma (sin).
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Post by graywolf on Mar 4, 2015 9:13:08 GMT
Have we max'ed?
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