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Post by justwonderin on Aug 12, 2011 13:44:02 GMT
Young male kangaroos grab small bushes like that, it obviously seems to excite them! Kind of like big Al and a podium. hmm |
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Post by trbixler on Aug 12, 2011 14:14:38 GMT
Well I guess the image was a bit too realistic and strong, so moving on to "scientific" efforts of concerned scientists. Mann the parapets, prepare for an assault against a FOI. Hide the "science" as it is "trust me" worse than we thought. All legalese for we do not want to show you our faked up "science". But please send us more money. "ATI Responds to Union of Concerned Scientists’, et al, Efforts to Stop Agreement with UVA to Turn Over Michael Mann Records" "“Once again these self-interested groups — who hope to protect their billions of dollars in government funding of dubious, unsupportable research — accuse ATI of ‘harassment and intimidation’ of scientists. It shows how blind they are to the fact that ATI has acted in the interest of sound, verifiable science and for the protection of the hard-earned money that taxpayers are forced to relinquish for such research." www.atinstitute.org/ati-responds-to-union-of-concern-scientists-et-al-efforts-to-stop-agreement-with-uva-to-turn-over-michael-mann-records/ |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Aug 12, 2011 15:00:53 GMT
Well there's humorous and ridiculous, and then there's the truly dangerous psychotics: www.theblaze.com/stories/militant-environmentalists-call-for-executions-and-decisive-ecological-warfare/
“Do we need a militant movement to save the planet (and ourselves)?”
That was the question posed in recent article on the left-wing site Alternet when it interviewed a group of radical environmentalists who are allegedly endorsing “Decisive Ecological Warfare.” And in order to realize their goal of ridding the planet of industrial civilization — even modern agriculture — the group intends to employ tactics “of both militaries and insurgents the world over.”
One of the activists, Derrick Jensen, allegedly even believes those who destroy the environment should be summarily executed: “If it were up to me, all the people associated with the Gulf oil spill, which is murdering the Gulf, would be executed. That would be part of the function of a state,” said Jensen.
In addition to Jensen, the two other environmentalists interviewed in the article – Lierre Keith, and Aric McBay — have spearheaded a fringe movement called the “Deep Green Resistance” (with a book of the same name) that calls for “direct attacks on infrastructure” and an annihilation of civilization as we know it.
According to the far-left triumvirate, humanity must devolve into living primitive, “indigenous” lifestyles. To this end, Keith targeted a litany of ills that must be stopped, declaring: “We need a culture that is self-consciously oppositional to things like corporate power, capitalism, industrialization and ultimately civilization, because that is the arrangement of power on this planet right now.”
But how does the group intend to implement such extreme goals? That is where the Decisive Ecological Warfare part comes in. According to DGR’s website, their type of warfare has four phases that will allegedly lead up to the “fall of industrial civilization.” The first phase, according to the organization’s charter, is “Networking & Mobilization“ followed by ”Sabotage & Asymmetric Action.” The site lays out the group’s strategy:
Cont'd at link above. |
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Post by justwonderin on Aug 12, 2011 15:08:43 GMT
Well I guess the image was a bit too realistic and strong, so moving on to "scientific" efforts of concerned scientists. Mann the parapets, prepare for an assault against a FOI. Hide the "science" as it is "trust me" worse than we thought. All legalese for we do not want to show you our faked up "science". But please send us more money. "ATI Responds to Union of Concerned Scientists’, et al, Efforts to Stop Agreement with UVA to Turn Over Michael Mann Records" "“Once again these self-interested groups — who hope to protect their billions of dollars in government funding of dubious, unsupportable research — accuse ATI of ‘harassment and intimidation’ of scientists. It shows how blind they are to the fact that ATI has acted in the interest of sound, verifiable science and for the protection of the hard-earned money that taxpayers are forced to relinquish for such research." www.atinstitute.org/ati-responds-to-union-of-concern-scientists-et-al-efforts-to-stop-agreement-with-uva-to-turn-over-michael-mann-records/wow. You sure spout goop well |
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 12, 2011 16:02:03 GMT
Within the current fiscal crisis in the USA, the only solution is to stop funding for a few years of climate science. Two years is not going to make a substantial diff in the science, in fact, it should prob be a 10-20 break so that the science gets a chance to catch up to what the atmosphere is doing.
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Post by trbixler on Aug 12, 2011 18:06:22 GMT
Well I guess the image was a bit too realistic and strong, so moving on to "scientific" efforts of concerned scientists. Mann the parapets, prepare for an assault against a FOI. Hide the "science" as it is "trust me" worse than we thought. All legalese for we do not want to show you our faked up "science". But please send us more money. "ATI Responds to Union of Concerned Scientists’, et al, Efforts to Stop Agreement with UVA to Turn Over Michael Mann Records" "“Once again these self-interested groups — who hope to protect their billions of dollars in government funding of dubious, unsupportable research — accuse ATI of ‘harassment and intimidation’ of scientists. It shows how blind they are to the fact that ATI has acted in the interest of sound, verifiable science and for the protection of the hard-earned money that taxpayers are forced to relinquish for such research." www.atinstitute.org/ati-responds-to-union-of-concern-scientists-et-al-efforts-to-stop-agreement-with-uva-to-turn-over-michael-mann-records/wow. You sure spout goop well Well if you want some science just ask Alice and I am sure that you will be rewarded, but the last time she was encountered someone wanted the Schrodinger wave equation explained as they were bantering on about photons and waves. Maybe you want to keep in politics as "goop" is your opinion. Where as science can be explained and should not be hidden. Of course maybe you think the public funding of hidden science is OK. I do not! |
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Post by trbixler on Aug 12, 2011 18:18:26 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 12, 2011 18:54:11 GMT
It would seem that all the papers relying on the AR40?....reanalysis should be retacted.
MMM>......damn science is getting shoddy nowadays isn't it? Ya think the chase for grant dollars has anything to do with this? And the pressure to keep publishing, even if you don't have a clue what you are really publishing?
Alice must be damn near bedridden! Feed her tea my good man.......feed her tea.
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Post by magellan on Aug 12, 2011 19:54:31 GMT
It would seem that all the papers relying on the AR40?....reanalysis should be retacted. MMM>......damn science is getting shoddy nowadays isn't it? Ya think the chase for grant dollars has anything to do with this? And the pressure to keep publishing, even if you don't have a clue what you are really publishing? Alice must be damn near bedridden! Feed her tea my good man.......feed her tea. Don't count on it affecting the climate "science" Team anytime soon. climateaudit.org/2011/07/06/dirty-laundry-ii-contaminated-sediments/ |
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Post by trbixler on Aug 13, 2011 2:15:51 GMT
Maybe with someone that calls it (AGW) what it is there could be some hope ( I hope for change at the top). But has he really seen the light or does he just want the job. "Rick Perry to delight climate sceptics by running for president Texas governor Rick Perry's bid for the Republican expected nomination has cheered climate sceptics who share his view that global warming is a 'phony mess'" "Perry served as Al Gore's Texas campaign chair in the 1988 presidential race, just before switching his party allegiance from Democrat to Republican, but conservatives don't have to worry that Perry holds any residual affection for the former veep. "I've heard Al Gore talk about man-made global warming so much that I'm starting to think that his mouth is the leading source of all that supposedly deadly carbon dioxide," Perry said in 2007." www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/12/rick-perry-climate-sceptics-president |
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 13, 2011 5:04:07 GMT
So far, from what I can see, there are two republicans who may be presidential material. Herman Cain and Ron Paul.
I know too much about Backmann and Pawlenty to ever vote for them.
Newt did a fine job last night and I may have to reconsider him.
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Post by hairball on Aug 13, 2011 8:54:34 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Aug 13, 2011 13:55:28 GMT
"The fight deepens over the Carbon Tax in Australia" from David Archibald "My first duty to you today is tell you what is happening to the climate. What is happening is cooling. The oceans started cooling in 2003, and the atmosphere is following. There has been no warming since 1998. In fact, the temperature of planet today is almost the same as it was when satellites first started measuring it in 1979. No one under the age of 32 has experienced global warming. Some of us predate that and remember the heavy frosts of the nineteen seventies. Those frosts are returning, and worse. Solar activity is weakening, and will remain weak for another 22 years." "For us, climate is a non-problem. Carbon dioxide’s heating effect is real, but minuscule. The one hundred parts per million that we have added to the atmosphere in the last one hundred years has heated the planet by one tenth of a degree. We will add another hundred parts per million over the next fifty years. The total of two tenths of a degree will be very welcome by mid-century. In fact, the more carbon dioxide we add to the atmosphere, the better. During the ice ages of the last three million years, the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere got as low as one hundred and seventy-two parts per million. Plant growth shuts down at one hundred and fifty parts per million. Life above sea level was almost snuffed out due to a lack of carbon dioxide. We were only twenty-two parts per million from extinction. We came so close to dying out due to a lack of carbon dioxide. And, for those amongst us who like plants and animals, they would have died out too. The more we can increase the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, the safer life on this planet will be." wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/12/the-fight-deepens-over-the-carbon-tax-in-australia/#more-44952 |
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Post by trbixler on Aug 13, 2011 14:16:16 GMT
How many humans need to be thrown under the Green bus before its OK with mother earth. It is not about reality but religious reality. "The Carbon (dioxide) Tax: a religious perspective" "The dilemma for many environmentally conscious Australians is that the anti-humanity focus of the Greens’ policies is completely at odds with the Judaeo-Christian principles governing a balanced relationship between humanity and nature. Successive popes have stressed that nature is at the service of humanity which may use and develop its natural resources, always mindful of the obligation to safeguard nature for the benefit of future generations, while emphasising that nature must not be glorified." icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/the_carbon_dioxide_tax_a_religious_perspective/ |
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Post by socold on Aug 13, 2011 16:50:09 GMT
"The fight deepens over the Carbon Tax in Australia" from David Archibald "My first duty to you today is tell you what is happening to the climate. What is happening is cooling. The oceans started cooling in 2003, and the atmosphere is following. There has been no warming since 1998. How does he square that with UAH showing warming: www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2003/plot/uah/from:2003/trendOcean heat content appears flat since 2003, not cooling. www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/UAH shows the planet is 0.44C warmer. That's not "almost the same" unless he's using a worthless measure by which any change in climate would be "almost the same" Obviously noone encompasses the entire globe. But plenty of people under the age of 32 will have experienced regional effects of global warming. Solar activity is actually on the increase for the next few years. We've already been through the solar minimum which had a cooling effect on the world. But evidentially the cooling effect was either tiny, or was overwhelmed by the rate of global warming, because global temperatures have been about flat since 2003, not a large drop. I think the latter is the case. How does he know CO2 has warmed the planet by 0.1C? He doesn't offer any uncertainty there like maybe it could be higher. He just states as fact it's 0.1C. Settled science huh? He's miscommunicated the science. He's taken a number from the very low end of possible range for climate sensitivity and presented that without any uncertainties. If an "alarmist" had done that skeptics would be up in arms. But when a skeptic does it skeptics slap them on the back. This is a new level of ridiculous excuse. "We need to keep emitting CO2 to save the earth." If he was really concerned about CO2 starvation he should be advocating saving all the fossil fuels to burn in a few thousand years time when the Earth starts sliding into the next glacial period, not using all the fossil fuels up this century which will have a much lesser effect. Of course he won't accept that because his argument was never about a serious concern of CO2 starvation. His argument was made solely to justify emissions today. And I bet he wonders why noone important takes him seriously. |
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