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Post by scpg02 on Nov 23, 2014 16:10:09 GMT
OK. I will see if I can find the methodology. Some of these idiot groups think paying for spending is liberal so I don't put much stock in them. The reports used to come out quarterly. They have changed the style but I assume, always dangerous, that the methodology is the same. They picked 25 bills a quarter that they felt were important. Obamacare, immigration reform, gun rights etc. Then they see how each representative or senator voted. when you click on their names it goes through each bill and how they voted. They also give their argument for why voting one way or the other is good or bad. It is somewhat arbitrary not scientific but seems to be accurate. They have been doing it since the 60s.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 23, 2014 16:14:10 GMT
OK. I will see if I can find the methodology. Some of these idiot groups think paying for spending is liberal so I don't put much stock in them. The reports used to come out quarterly. They have changed the style but I assume, always dangerous, that the methodology is the same. They picked 25 bills a quarter that they felt were important. Obamacare, immigration reform, gun rights etc. Then they see how each representative or senator voted. when you click on their names it goes through each bill and how they voted. They also give their argument for why voting one way or the other is good or bad. It is somewhat arbitrary not scientific but seems to be accurate. They have been doing it since the 60s. Looks to me like they have forgotten that the Supreme Court has ruled on a few items. It is what it is, but it most certainly is not conservative.
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 23, 2014 16:17:46 GMT
My idea of conservative is a little different than some others. Personally I think conservatism is: Paying your bills on time Not meddling in the affairs of other nations, certainly not the perpetual state of war we find ourselves in today. Having a social safety net in place that offers a hand up not a permanent hand out It is a less intrusive government in the private lives of it's citizens Where I part ways with many of the newer so called conservatives is: Religion. Down here in the southern U.S. there is too much of a mixing of religion/political beliefs that borders on fundamentalism. Military Spending. Defending our nation is one thing. Using the military industrial complex to destroy and then rebuild nations on the taxpayer dime is not conservative. Taxation. I don't like it, nobody does. But tax cuts are not the magic pixie dust some of the newer conservatives think they are. Taxation operates on a bell curve. To little adds to the debt and or leads to loss in essential public services. To much stifles growth and restrains business. We need to find the sweet spot. I used to call myself conservative but now I see I am libertarian, small L. If you look up classical liberalism, you may find you are as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 23, 2014 16:19:25 GMT
The reports used to come out quarterly. They have changed the style but I assume, always dangerous, that the methodology is the same. They picked 25 bills a quarter that they felt were important. Obamacare, immigration reform, gun rights etc. Then they see how each representative or senator voted. when you click on their names it goes through each bill and how they voted. They also give their argument for why voting one way or the other is good or bad. It is somewhat arbitrary not scientific but seems to be accurate. They have been doing it since the 60s. Looks to me like they have forgotten that the Supreme Court has ruled on a few items. It is what it is, but it most certainly is not conservative. it doesn't claim to be conservative. it is the freedom index. if I had to put a political philosophy on it, I would say it is more libertarian, small L.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 23, 2014 17:05:30 GMT
Looks to me like they have forgotten that the Supreme Court has ruled on a few items. It is what it is, but it most certainly is not conservative. it doesn't claim to be conservative. it is the freedom index. if I had to put a political philosophy on it, I would say it is more libertarian, small L. I stopped labeling myself politically anymore. I am just an old coot, who loves to read and ponder. I also enjoy looking at the micro items, pondering, and then actually developing a solution. IF I was rich, and had time, I would run for public office. Most folks I talk to, (left, right, center) indicate they would run to the polls to vote more me. Probably because my solutions are based on credible facts. We have religion now in politics, and that is no place for religion. WE also have vitriol, and in any business if vitriol becomes the dominant item, that business will fail. The same is happening to the good ole USA. People understand they are on a slippery slope downwards and feel hopeless, so they do cling to certain ideas. Whether it be military power, amnesty, social programs etc. The whole thing boils down to having a viable solution, and SELLING it. Anyone can whine.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Nov 23, 2014 22:10:55 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Nov 24, 2014 16:34:14 GMT
[/quote]I stopped labeling myself politically anymore. I am just an old coot, who loves to read and ponder. I also enjoy looking at the micro items, pondering, and then actually developing a solution. IF I was rich, and had time, I would run for public office. Most folks I talk to, (left, right, center) indicate they would run to the polls to vote more me. Probably because my solutions are based on credible facts.
We have religion now in politics, and that is no place for religion. WE also have vitriol, and in any business if vitriol becomes the dominant item, that business will fail. The same is happening to the good ole USA. People understand they are on a slippery slope downwards and feel hopeless, so they do cling to certain ideas. Whether it be military power, amnesty, social programs etc.
The whole thing boils down to having a viable solution, and SELLING it. Anyone can whine.[/quote]
Oddly enough I think geography and demographics plays a huge role in the actual functionality of political systems. A Libertarian/Conservative system works better in rural areas where rugged individualism is a pre-requisite to sucess. In the larger urban areas and cities where many more people are jammed together a more socialistic system is needed. It's an intirely different set of problems and challenges.
Unfortunately the more people you have crammed together in close proximity the more issues you are going to have and the need for governance is greater.
I think people in the major cities in the U.S. don't understand the concerns of those in rural areas and vice versa. Even 200 years ago our founding fathers were smart enough to realize this.
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 24, 2014 22:22:33 GMT
Oddly enough I think geography and demographics plays a huge role in the actual functionality of political systems. A Libertarian/Conservative system works better in rural areas where rugged individualism is a pre-requisite to sucess. In the larger urban areas and cities where many more people are jammed together a more socialistic system is needed. It's an intirely different set of problems and challenges. Unfortunately the more people you have crammed together in close proximity the more issues you are going to have and the need for governance is greater. I think people in the major cities in the U.S. don't understand the concerns of those in rural areas and vice versa. Even 200 years ago our founding fathers were smart enough to realize this. And of course as the writers of Agenda 21 were aware, the city dwellers are at the mercy of the government that can shut down supplies of all the requisites for living very easily. Whereas a farmer on a remote farm is close to if not fully self-sufficient. This is why the property rights of small holders and private farmers are under threat. Agenda 21 and 'sustainability' requires that farms are large industrial farms and not small farms wholly owned by self sufficient citizens.
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Post by glennkoks on Nov 25, 2014 1:06:55 GMT
Nautonnier,
I live in the suburbs of Houston but grew up in a small rural gulf coastal town. The fish, shrimp, crabs and oysters we harvested were put on a truck and hauled to the big city for sale. If the "blank hits the fan" I would drive, walk, sail or crawl with my family back to my little ghost town on the coast at least 3 days before my neighbor feeds his last package of frozen hot dogs to his kids.
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 25, 2014 4:04:48 GMT
Nautonnier, I live in the suburbs of Houston but grew up in a small rural gulf coastal town. The fish, shrimp, crabs and oysters we harvested were put on a truck and hauled to the big city for sale. If the "blank hits the fan" I would drive, walk, sail or crawl with my family back to my little ghost town on the coast at least 3 days before my neighbor feeds his last package of frozen hot dogs to his kids. Expect to be followed by a large crowd of hungry people.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 27, 2014 17:24:16 GMT
I would want more information on this. And if it truely happened, I would be going to the school board with a personal vendetta to get that teacher fired.
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Post by magellan on Nov 28, 2014 20:17:05 GMT
it doesn't claim to be conservative. it is the freedom index. if I had to put a political philosophy on it, I would say it is more libertarian, small L. I stopped labeling myself politically anymore. I am just an old coot, who loves to read and ponder. I also enjoy looking at the micro items, pondering, and then actually developing a solution. IF I was rich, and had time, I would run for public office. Most folks I talk to, (left, right, center) indicate they would run to the polls to vote more me. Probably because my solutions are based on credible facts. We have religion now in politics, and that is no place for religion. WE also have vitriol, and in any business if vitriol becomes the dominant item, that business will fail. The same is happening to the good ole USA. People understand they are on a slippery slope downwards and feel hopeless, so they do cling to certain ideas. Whether it be military power, amnesty, social programs etc. The whole thing boils down to having a viable solution, and SELLING it. Anyone can whine. What do you mean by that statement? The agenda is to wipe out Christianity from American politics and revise history. Anyone daring to mention God in politics is ridiculed by Liberals everywhere (unless they do it, then it's ok). Government is the new religion. Have you read the writings of John Hancock, James Madison, George Washington and countless others of early America? Does this sound like a "religion free" political speech? No religion in politics?
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 28, 2014 20:25:22 GMT
SG. Big difference today. The founders were not trying to enforce religion via govt. Jefferson would be one of the 1st to get wild at some of today's stupid.
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Post by magellan on Nov 28, 2014 20:32:04 GMT
My idea of conservative is a little different than some others. Personally I think conservatism is: Paying your bills on time Not meddling in the affairs of other nations, certainly not the perpetual state of war we find ourselves in today. Having a social safety net in place that offers a hand up not a permanent hand out It is a less intrusive government in the private lives of it's citizens Where I part ways with many of the newer so called conservatives is: Religion. Down here in the southern U.S. there is too much of a mixing of religion/political beliefs that borders on fundamentalism. Military Spending. Defending our nation is one thing. Using the military industrial complex to destroy and then rebuild nations on the taxpayer dime is not conservative. Taxation. I don't like it, nobody does. But tax cuts are not the magic pixie dust some of the newer conservatives think they are. Taxation operates on a bell curve. To little adds to the debt and or leads to loss in essential public services. To much stifles growth and restrains business. We need to find the sweet spot. I used to call myself conservative but now I see I am libertarian, small L. If you look up classical liberalism, you may find you are as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalismAh yes, Thomas Malthus....
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Post by magellan on Nov 28, 2014 20:34:27 GMT
SG. Big difference today. The founders were not trying to enforce religion via govt. Jefferson would be one of the 1st to get wild at some of today's stupid. Give some examples.
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