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Post by glennkoks on Mar 19, 2015 1:19:49 GMT
I want to be alive first. And if your leader is doing something incredibly foolish, you need to speak up. Obama can die for his country if he wants to, but leave me out of it. Walnut, You speak up within your own house. Not with the enemy.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 19, 2015 13:34:52 GMT
Code: As an older person I am observing the death of the USA.
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Post by walnut on Mar 19, 2015 13:48:15 GMT
I want to be alive first. And if your leader is doing something incredibly foolish, you need to speak up. Obama can die for his country if he wants to, but leave me out of it. Walnut, You speak up within your own house. Not with the enemy. Except that Obama has disrespected, ignored, and marginalized the legislature since the midterms. And their job is to serve their constituents, not to abide by some understood propriety that only they are governed by and apparently not the president. I am already way off the reservation, because I consider this administration to be the enemy. A coup leveraged by incredible stupidity. An emergency.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 19, 2015 15:39:22 GMT
Walnut, You speak up within your own house. Not with the enemy. Except that Obama has disrespected, ignored, and marginalized the legislature since the midterms. And their job is to serve their constituents, not to abide by some understood propriety that only they are governed by and apparently not the president. I am already way off the reservation, because I consider this administration to be the enemy. A coup leveraged by incredible stupidity. An emergency. Exactly how I felt about GWB. Now we have two town idiots in a row.
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Post by glennkoks on Mar 19, 2015 17:56:33 GMT
I think our last two duly elected President's are a direct reflection of just how dangerously politically polarized are nation has become. I was brought up in a house where the President was referred to as "Mr. President" or "President Obama" etc. as a sign of respect not necessarily to the person but the office.
We are in desperate need of someone who can restore fiscal sanity, respect and have the ability to reach across the aisle. Bring back "America first".
In an age of hand picked 24 hour cable news coverage I just don't think it can happen.
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Post by walnut on Mar 19, 2015 18:05:23 GMT
President Bush accelerated the bankrupting process by throwing huge piles of money at a war that didn't need to cost so much to win, I knew it was happening as it was happening, so I have little love for him either. He didn't respect the hard work of the American people to produce all the money that he squandered.
"President" Obama; I am not even certain which side he is working for, so no I don't respect him much. As to the office, only in nostalgic memories.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 19, 2015 19:20:42 GMT
A leader is what is required. It will have to be someone simple who has a honed BS meter. Ivy league folks are just a bunch of thieves.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 22, 2015 0:45:24 GMT
Absolutely no change of heart. I don't worry about Iran at all. I am much more worried about the next mess Netanayua will talk the USA idiots into. Israel needs Iran as an enemy to cover their illegal land grabs. They are bulldozing buildings in East Jerusalem. Land held by families for centuries. No redress in the Israel court system as they won't recognize old deeds. One hell of a mess that the US has been complicate in.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 22, 2015 0:49:16 GMT
I saw this shit being done by the US govt. It would not surprise me in the least that they are behind this again.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 22, 2015 0:58:43 GMT
Just like Crimera. They wanted to be part of Russia. They voted to be part of Russia but Ukrainian Nazi didn't want to give up control. Even tho the vote was monitored and actually binding.
US didn't like outcome of vote and threatens Russia to not invade. Russia was actually fulfilling old treaty obligations. I know folks are Nationalist in USA, which is good. But we don't have to be stupid and uninformed.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 22, 2015 1:02:38 GMT
Word of caution to everyone. Always keep track of the pea. The pea/pod is an old carny game. The holder of the pods used sleigh of hand and distraction to win because he/she knows watching the pea is hard to do. To win, you have to keep track of the whole game.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 22, 2015 1:06:21 GMT
How many years running have we threatened Iran? To use "all options available"? When is the last time Iran attacked another country? 178 years ago. Compare that to the US and tell me who has clean hands. Ike said it best. Review his parting speech.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 22, 2015 4:36:23 GMT
Just like Crimera. They wanted to be part of Russia. They voted to be part of Russia but Ukrainian Nazi didn't want to give up control. Even tho the vote was monitored and actually binding. US didn't like outcome of vote and threatens Russia to not invade. Russia was actually fulfilling old treaty obligations. I know folks are Nationalist in USA, which is good. But we don't have to be stupid and uninformed. We should also be philosophically consistent. Self determination is a right of all peoples. The land belongs to those that live on the land. Boundaries should be of self-association. They are not sacrosanct. But ... to paraphrase Mark Twain ... there is probably not a square foot of space on this planet still occupied by its original owners. The Federalists still believe that all things flow from them ... and perhaps more importantly, TO THEM.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 22, 2015 5:06:47 GMT
I think our last two duly elected President's are a direct reflection of just how dangerously politically polarized are nation has become. I was brought up in a house where the President was referred to as "Mr. President" or "President Obama" etc. as a sign of respect not necessarily to the person but the office. We are in desperate need of someone who can restore fiscal sanity, respect and have the ability to reach across the aisle. Bring back "America first". In an age of hand picked 24 hour cable news coverage I just don't think it can happen. John Adams said: "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." Perhaps John meant that. But, as the author of the Alien and Sedition Acts and a good Puritan Federalist, I have a stinking suspicion that what he meant by sedition was anyone who opposed the will of the Massachusetts Bay Colony Yankees. Progressive Federalism has always been an oxymoron, and is really a code word for Yankee slavery (in the best, most politically correct context of course).
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 22, 2015 11:17:16 GMT
How many years running have we threatened Iran? To use "all options available"? When is the last time Iran attacked another country? 178 years ago. Compare that to the US and tell me who has clean hands. Ike said it best. Review his parting speech. I was in training with an Iraqi major in the 1970's who told me of the battle at Basra during the Iran/Iraq war where they were almost overrun by Iranians running unarmed through minefields towards machine guns dressed in burial shrouds holding plastic 'keys to heaven' only several waves later when the minefields had been 'cleared' and the machine guns were running out of ammunition did armed Iranians join the attack. My take-away from that was never to underestimate the illogicality of religious fundamentalists. The Shiite judgment day when every 'true believer' goes to Heaven commences when there is an Armageddon style total world destruction and many of them have no fear of nuclear war as that for them would be judgement day and they get to go to heaven, and they don't even need a plastic 'key to heaven' to convince them. ( This religious fervor was also seen with early Christianity dying doing God's will was a way to heaven. In fact "Nobiscum Deus" and later "Gott mit Uns" God is with us were battled cries and slogans from Roman times through to Germany in WWII.) So Iran has attacked before but in local wars. One of the reasons for Saddam Hussein 'weapons of mass destruction' probably only chemical weapons, was concern about being overrun by the much larger Iran. (and before people jump in with all the WMD were talked up stories - the guys in the Gulf War were in full protective gear which made their tasks far more difficult on the ground _they_ believed that they could come under chemical/biological attack, and the 'Gulf War Syndrome' was probably caused by the cocktail of drugs and chemicals they all had to take just in case they came under chemical/biological attack.) Wars have been fought across this area for centuries since the 1500's and Suleiman the Magnificent of the Ottoman Empire (which the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIL would like to recreate). In fact these wars have been given the name 'The Great Game'. With the Russian and British Empires, and the French continually setting and resetting boundaries. During the war T E Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) was instrumental in setting the Arabs against the Turks. Then the Balfour agreement and others broke the deal he had made and created Israel and Palestine (Jordan). Churchill assisted in splitting old countries in the region by agreeing boundaries that ran across them reducing their influence. So Kurdistan ceased to exist and became swallowed by Iraq and Turkey etc etc. Now throw into the mix the oil and the resultant changes where the desert kingdoms that were something for 'The Great Game' to be fought over by the 'first world empires' suddenly had control over the first world economies. Luckily, the Muslim countries in the region are uniting under with the aim of destroying Israel and using the oil monies they get to do so. Into this comes a new US 'Administration' that foments the Arab spring - apparently with the intent of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood (see above) but it all went to worms. At the same time oil has been discovered in huge amounts stretching from Greece all the way to the South East end of the Mediterranean - off shore to Israel and Syria. Now you may understand why the European Union is trying to get Greece permanently in debt to them, the Russians suddenly saw control of Crimea and its sea ports as urgent and have set up Naval facilities in Cyprus (very uncomfortable for the UK who have also a sovereign base area there) and the sudden rise of ISIL initially trying to take over Syria. Then the shale oil revolution and the 'tar sands' oil started coming on stream and the oil control that OPEC had suddenly stops working. So OPEC drops its price to attempt to kill shale oil. The entire area is a mess caused by interfering politicians, big energy business and religions it is not new it has been going on since the tribes of Israel escaped from Egypt, Alexander the Great, Vandals and Visigoths etc., etc. It is sad that humanity does not appear to learn. (Islamic State in the Levant - ISIL is a more correct term as you will see from the image:
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