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Post by tobyglyn on Jun 30, 2012 14:18:51 GMT
Some warm peaks on the way back down to cold (hopefully not)
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Post by throttleup on Jul 3, 2012 15:06:33 GMT
Yes, yes, I know it's only weather. But to balance the AP report that the "US Summer is What Global Warming Looks Like"..."If you want a glimpse of some of the worst of global warming, scientists suggest taking a look at U.S. weather in recent weeks. Horrendous wildfires. Oppressive heat waves. Devastating droughts. Flooding from giant deluges. And a powerful freak wind storm called a derecho. These are the kinds of extremes climate scientists have predicted will come with climate change, although it's far too early to say that is the cause." hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2012-07-03-Weird%20Weather/id-5b045c95974544ec9a97b57ed4aa7b1b...I'd thought I'd throw this in just for fun:UK's Wettest June in Recorded History Last month is officially in history books as the United Kingdom's wettest June since record keeping began. Rainfall throughout the United Kingdom last month averaged 5.72 inches, twice what is typically measured each June. Not since record-keeping began in 1910 has the U.K. experienced so much rain, according to the U.K. Met Office. June marks the second record-breaking rainiest month for the U.K. this year with April being the first. Not surprisingly during such a wet month, the U.K. also experienced their second dullest June on record with only 119.2 hours of sunshine. The combination of the clouds and rain held the average temperature across the U.K. last month to 54.1 degrees, making this June the coolest since 1991. www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/united-kingdoms-wettest-june-i/67509When weather becomes climate it gets really hard to tell which is which. Unless you're a "climate scientist" or in the media.
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Post by flearider on Jul 3, 2012 22:52:26 GMT
i really think the states next year will be cool ..theres a hot spot most yrs.. funny thing weather .. theres just so many people saying hot but if only in one place can it be the truth .. the cold is comming get rdy ..
and yes in the north uk we have had no summer yet but theres time yet i hope .. summer fish are not here like you'd think .. but some cod are turning up which for a shore fisherman is really unheard of
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Post by douglavers on Jul 10, 2012 12:24:12 GMT
Looking at current sea surface temperatures, I notice that there is a long ribbon of anomalously cold water stretching from Florida to Southwest UK. What happened to all that lovely warm Gulf Stream water from the Gulf of Mexico? Would this explain the strange position of the jetstream over the UK? [very wet and cold weather over the UK and Scandinavia] weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom_new.gif
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Post by flearider on Jul 10, 2012 20:44:50 GMT
10th of july and we hit 14deg c ....better warm up for my birthday on the 14th ...lol
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2012 23:12:58 GMT
Kinda funny, the eastern 1/3 of the USA is warm. The AGW folks are now trying to tell us that the reason it is warm is because of AGW. They kinda forget the NW of the USA is cold.
Oh well, hope it warms up for ya flearider.
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Post by throttleup on Jul 11, 2012 12:14:22 GMT
10th of july and we hit 14deg c ....better warm up for my birthday on the 14th ...lol Just add extra candles...
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Post by boxman on Jul 27, 2012 1:13:47 GMT
We are now nearly into august with still no sign of summer. We have only had a occasional day here and there with a bit above 20c, with temps dropping back to 10-15c again by next day. Local newspaper now claims this is worst july since 70s: www.adressa.no/vaeret/article3260375.eceAnd long term forecast going well into august shows no sign of improvement and instead it is just going to get worse. It has been years now since we have had a period of nice weather or heatwave by norwegian standards. At least in 90s-2007~ we at least had a week or two each summer with summer like temperatures and sunshine. The fjord here that reached 25c several years in 90s has not even been anywhere near 20c during last years. This year it seems to have peaked at 16c with current water temp being a whole 15c. A week ago we also had snow at 600 meter above sea level, which is also very unusual even for here. And now we are soon into august when summer can abruptly end in middle of august, so that means we might not even get a summer this year. It has gotten to the point where weather is making me depressed. I really wish I could move out of this stinking country in middle of damn arctic.
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Post by william on Jul 27, 2012 9:06:43 GMT
boxman, I truly sympathize and understand your dilemma. I am going to Spain in September to get a few weeks of true summer warm weather. Last year, I went to Maui for a few weeks in July for the same reason. The region where I live Canada (Calgary, Alberta) has covered with a two mile thick ice sheet during the cyclic glacial period. There is a suite of proxy data that indicates the interglacial period ends abruptly rather than gradually. There needs to be a strong and persistently long forcing change to explain the observational data. It appears the solar magnetic cycle has been interrupted as opposed to a slow down. It appears we may have an opportunity to experience the 8000 to 12000 year cyclic Heinrich event as opposed to the typical 1470 year cyclic Bond event. (The mechanism that is causing the typical Bond event is the same as the Heinrich event expect stronger.) I would expect there will be definitive solar observational evidence soon to support the assertion that there has been an interruption to the solar magnetic cycle. As most are aware, there was a 10 to 12 year delay in cooling from the start of the increase in GCR at the onset of the Maunder minimum and planetary cooling. www.hindawi.com/journals/amet/aip/543146.pdfwww.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2003GL017115.shtmlwww.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2002/2000PA000571.shtmlwww.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2003GL017115.shtmlwww.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html
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Post by boxman on Jul 27, 2012 13:00:10 GMT
And here is the reason: pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00983/front-250_983794a.jpgFirst picture shows how it is during a normal summer at this time of year, but now for 4 years or so in a row it has been moving southwards and becoming unstable. The second one shows how it has been most of this year. I really wonder how long it will take for them to realize that solar activity affects the jet stream pattern. I cant even recall the last time I saw the jet stream being like normal. Now the furthest north it gets is right over middle of Norway and never north of here.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 27, 2012 22:04:51 GMT
boxman: Anyone who reads the literature knows that solar activity and jet stream placement go hand in hand.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 27, 2012 22:27:34 GMT
Sorry for cross-posting: Real clear meteorology: www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=149Warm air entering the Arctic will produce some unexpected results... The situation in the North Atlantic will be critical to what we will see ... in the most unexpected ways. If you still have a farm in the U.S. Midwest, do consider selling it while it's still worth something. Seriously.
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Post by magellan on Jul 27, 2012 22:33:33 GMT
Sorry for cross-posting: Real clear meteorology: www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=149Warm air entering the Arctic will produce some unexpected results... The situation in the North Atlantic will be critical to what we will see ... in the most unexpected ways. If you still have a farm in the U.S. Midwest, do consider selling it while it's still worth something. Seriously. most unexpected ways. Oh please, don't keep us in suspense.
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Post by Pooh on Jul 28, 2012 4:03:17 GMT
FYI: De Jager, Cornelis, and Silvia Duhau. “Sudden Transitions and Grand Variations in the Solar Dynamo, Past and Future.†Journal of Space Weather and Space Climate 2 (June 25, 2012): A07. www.swsc-journal.org/index.php?option=com_article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/swsc/2012008&Itemid=129Abstract: The solar dynamo is the exotic dance of the sun’s two major magnetic field components, the poloidal and the toroidal, interacting in anti-phase. On the basis of new data on the geomagnetic aa index, we improve our previous forecast of the properties of the current Schwabe cycle #24. Its maximum will occur in 2013.5 and the maximum sunspot number Rmax will then be 62 ± 12, which is within the bounds of our earlier forecasts. The subsequent analysis, based on a phase diagram, which is a diagram showing the relation between maximum sunspot numbers and minimum geomagnetic aa index values leads to the conclusion that a new Grand Episode in solar activity has started in 2008. From the study of the natural oscillations in the sunspot number time series, as found by an analysis based on suitable wavelet base functions, we predict that this Grand Episode will be of the Regular Oscillations type, which is the kind of oscillations that also occurred between 1724 and 1924. Previous expectations of a Grand (Maunder-type) Minimum of solar activity cannot be supported. We stress the significance of the Hallstatt periodicity for determining the character of the forthcoming Grand Episodes. No Grand Minimum is expected to occur during the millennium that has just started.
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Post by boxman on Jul 28, 2012 17:35:48 GMT
boxman: Anyone who reads the literature knows that solar activity and jet stream placement go hand in hand. Try to tell that to the "experts".
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