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Post by sigurdur on Oct 19, 2014 16:11:40 GMT
Cutty: Thanks for the link share. The reason there is more sea ice around Antarctica is that it is cold. I know, that isn't rocket science, and a fact hard to obscure, but reality is a pregnant dog.....just sayin.
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Post by cuttydyer on Oct 19, 2014 16:55:33 GMT
Cutty: Thanks for the link share. The reason there is more sea ice around Antarctica is that it is cold. I know, that isn't rocket science, and a fact hard to obscure, but reality is a pregnant dog.....just sayin. Seeing as the Antarctic observations don't tally with the models, adjustments to the raw data must be imminent.
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Post by Ratty on Oct 20, 2014 12:11:15 GMT
How long before we see the headline " Massive Ice Loss in Antarctica" ?? Antarctic Sea Ice AreaAnyone want to run a book?
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Post by icefisher on Oct 20, 2014 14:20:55 GMT
I am going to go out on a limb and predict that "Massive Ice Loss in Antarctica" will be the hue and cry of a small minority. It will be a very difficult sell as the developed nations in the northern hemisphere see and live in a different side of regional variation.
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Post by flearider on Oct 20, 2014 15:50:22 GMT
yep prob will happen .. but not for another 20 yrs so lets hope we and are children learn from the mistakes now ..
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 24, 2014 17:40:25 GMT
news.yahoo.com/robot-sub-finds-surprisingly-thick-antarctic-sea-ice-161703215.htmlAntarctica's ice paradox has yet another puzzling layer. Not only is the amount of sea ice increasing each year, but an underwater robot now shows the ice is also much thicker than was previously thought, a new study reports. The discovery adds to the ongoing mystery of Antarctica's expanding sea ice. According to climate models, the region's sea ice should be shrinking each year because of global warming. Instead, satellite observations show the ice is expanding, and the continent's sea ice has set new records for the past three winters. At the same time, Antarctica's ice sheet (the glacial ice on land) is melting and retreating.
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Post by walnut on Nov 24, 2014 18:05:49 GMT
Like you said, maybe its just cold! Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar haha
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 29, 2014 6:27:06 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 29, 2014 9:42:10 GMT
There are two things wrong with this statement:
* Antarctica cannot 'melt' it's a continent, this continual use of inexact wording shows how amateur academia and science reporting has become. * The ice around Antarctica is at record levels so although it is going through seasonal melt and freeze cycles it is in question that 'Antarctic sea ice is melting' in any way that is not normal.
It really doesn't matter what the article says after that one sentence, it cannot be trusted to be accurate
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Post by acidohm on Nov 29, 2014 9:43:45 GMT
THE plot thickens, or should it be the ice? The most detailed and comprehensive 3D map so far of Antarctica's winter sea ice shows that big parts of it are much thicker and more smashed-up than we thought, in fact, three times as thick in some areas. Data from this map may help us fill in some of the gaps in our global climate models, such as the amount of heat exchanged between the ocean and atmosphere. The growth of Antarctic sea ice, which reached an all-time high this year, is one of the biggest geophysical changes that happen on Earth each year. "It expands from about 4 to 19 or 20 million square kilometres each year. That's more than twice the area of Australia," saysRob Massom at the Australian Antarctic Division in Hobart. "And of course this has an immense effect on the ocean surface." Ice reflects more sunlight than sea and so it affects the global energy balance, for example. Exactly how that winter ice forms, how thick it gets and by what mechanisms, is a bit of a mystery, leaving gaps in our climate models. www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429974.500-robot-subs-find-antarctic-sea-ice-thicker-than-expected.htmlSeems there are conflicting interpretations on this matter!
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Post by Ratty on Dec 1, 2014 21:49:58 GMT
Why do you need an icebreaker ..... if the ice will soon be no more?
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Post by acidohm on Dec 1, 2014 22:01:50 GMT
In fact this unnecessary destruction of ice must be stopped!
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 28, 2014 19:57:15 GMT
climatechangenationalforum.org/making-sense-of-antarctic-sea-ice-changes/Antarctic sea ice is one of those things in the climate system that seems to confuse people. Antarctic sea ice, on average, is increasing. How can there be global warming if sea ice is increasing in the Antarctic? Some have gone so far as to average the Arctic sea ice loss with the Antarctica sea ice gains, and imply that globally sea ice isn’t changing. That’s just silly. Even so, it’s fair to say that most of the popular explanations for Antarctic sea ice expansion haven’t been very convincing.
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Post by icefisher on Dec 28, 2014 21:47:34 GMT
climatechangenationalforum.org/making-sense-of-antarctic-sea-ice-changes/Antarctic sea ice is one of those things in the climate system that seems to confuse people. Antarctic sea ice, on average, is increasing. How can there be global warming if sea ice is increasing in the Antarctic? Some have gone so far as to average the Arctic sea ice loss with the Antarctica sea ice gains, and imply that globally sea ice isn’t changing. That’s just silly. Even so, it’s fair to say that most of the popular explanations for Antarctic sea ice expansion haven’t been very convincing. Arctic ice melt is a regional phenomena. For some who don't have the intelligence to be consistent might argue lower ice in the Arctic as a signature of global warming while at the same time try to argue that the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age were only regional phenomena, when the fact is the MWP and LIA most likely were global events and only improbably were regional events and at the same time recent arctic ice loss is obviously a regional phenomena.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 28, 2014 22:05:12 GMT
The current literature recognizes that the MWP and the LIA were both global events. Only the folks who couldn't model them tried to make them regional.
Mr. Lamb was more correct in his analysis than those that followed till a few years ago again, when the regional idea was overcome by the proxy data all over the world in regards to both LIA and MWP.
Only those in denial still cling to the short lived belief that the MWP and LIA were regional.
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