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Post by acidohm on Mar 29, 2015 7:02:26 GMT
What is insane is they are out there measuring with robotic submarines from large ships. ..The effort put into these scientific results is enormous! Still, it is the passing of time that will produce the best evidence....All we have to do is wait
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Post by Ratty on Mar 30, 2015 7:13:17 GMT
I may not have enough time .... turning seventy in June.
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Post by acidohm on Mar 30, 2015 14:51:08 GMT
I may not have enough time .... turning seventy in June. Well I sincerely hope you have more then enough time Ratty
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 30, 2015 16:05:46 GMT
I may not have enough time .... turning seventy in June. If Theordore is right then you only need make it to 72 and it will become apparent to everyone that things are cooling. This is the reason for the desperation to get a treaty in Paris this year.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 31, 2015 4:22:42 GMT
I may not have enough time .... turning seventy in June. If Theordore is right then you only need make it to 72 and it will become apparent to everyone that things are cooling. This is the reason for the desperation to get a treaty in Paris this year. Anyone care to make a wager that the maps and official stats will STILL show that it was the HOTTEST year ever?
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Post by nonentropic on Mar 31, 2015 8:23:15 GMT
At some point the actual climate will argue they are fools.
Most likely there will simply be a new religion for the priests of doom to slide seamlessly there tales of doom into.
CAGW, then climate change, then climate weirding, if I knew what it was going to be I would sell tickets myself.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 1, 2015 2:41:23 GMT
At some point the actual climate will argue they are fools. Most likely there will simply be a new religion for the priests of doom to slide seamlessly there tales of doom into. CAGW, then climate change, then climate weirding, if I knew what it was going to be I would sell tickets myself. How about a new musical, perhaps based around the old lyrics of 'Oh Susannah' ... Susannah does Maunder? It rained so hard the day I left the weather it was fine. The sun so hot I froze to deathSusannah don't you cry.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 25, 2015 3:52:40 GMT
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Post by duwayne on May 12, 2015 14:20:13 GMT
sunshine hours May 11, 2015 Antarctica’s Increasing Sea Ice Levels is a Worry Filed under: Antarctic,Antarctic Sea Ice,Antarctic Sea Ice Area,Antarctic Sea Ice Extent — sunshinehours1 @ 8:28 AM Antarctica’s Increasing Sea Ice Levels is a Worry “The size and power of ships needed to break through Antarctica’s increasing sea ice levels is a worry for the global research community. In recent years countries including Australia have battled to reach their stations on the frozen continent, making resupply missions time consuming and expensive, Australian Antarctic Division spokesman Rod Wooding said. “We’re noticing that the sea ice situation is becoming more difficult,” he told reporters on Monday. The sea ice through the Southern Ocean and around Australia’s Mawson Station usually breaks up for a couple of months a year allowing ships to enter the bay but that did not happen in 2013-14. “We had to get fuel in by helicopter which is inadequate for the long-term sustainability of the station,” Dr Wooding said.”Other national programs have had similar problems: the French in particular, Japanese also.”” This part is hilarious: There is no single reason why sea ice levels are increasing but Hobart-based expert Tony Worby said it tends to gather around icebergs and wind patterns also play a part.”We know sea ice extent is increasing, there was a record maximum in September 2014,” Prof Worby said.”It’s quite hard to forecast …. “ But but …. I thought all this stuff was easy to forecast. Just blame it on global warming! I guess blaming more sea ice on global warming is difficult when they’ve been screaming for decades that global warming causes less sea ice. sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/antarcticas-increasing-sea-ice-levels-is-a-worry/
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Post by douglavers on May 12, 2015 23:22:38 GMT
Someone should explain Occam's Razor to Professor Worby!
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Post by sigurdur on May 13, 2015 13:37:44 GMT
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Post by graywolf on May 18, 2015 18:38:07 GMT
Remnant of Larsen B.
Rather than clog up the Arctic thread I'd prefer to discuss this here?
Post the 2002 partial collapse Leppard and Flask glaciers began to move 8 times faster ( for you yanks thats like going from 55mph to 440mph) so what happens when the remnant 'gate keeper' does one prior to 2020? How does the fate of the resulting flotilla of bergs impact us? They will soon be joined by the runaway dumping that the 3 feed glaciers ( leppard, flask and starbuck) will bring once the 'blockage' that a shelf causes to ice flow is removed.
I'd also keep an eye on thwaites/Pine island as they also look to be about to pick up their calving rates as they move into wide open bays from the restricted calving front at present ( remember Nina conditions slow their rates of discharge so this long , drawn out, Nino should surely have the opposite effect?
Next shelf down is Ross and it is the partial collapse of this that allows West Antarctica to become an island again. We now know that the warm bottom waters causing such issues higher up the peninsula reached here back in 2012 so how long before we see the first major dump from the Roosevelt island end of Ross?
All in all it looks like a lot of bergs will be populating the waters around Antarctica over the coming 20 years? Sadly we also know that cold surface layers on the ocean have served to preserve the warmth of the waters below ( instead of shedding it to the atmosphere) allowing a more ferocious assault on the grounding lines of the glaciers/shelfs leading to deglaciation of the West Antarctic island.
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Post by throttleup on May 18, 2015 21:47:29 GMT
Look on the bright side, graywolf... maybe the bergs will float to the Arctic. Then all will be well!
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Post by sigurdur on May 18, 2015 23:03:26 GMT
Remnant of Larsen B. Rather than clog up the Arctic thread I'd prefer to discuss this here? Post the 2002 partial collapse Leppard and Flask glaciers began to move 8 times faster ( for you yanks thats like going from 55mph to 440mph) so what happens when the remnant 'gate keeper' does one prior to 2020? How does the fate of the resulting flotilla of bergs impact us? They will soon be joined by the runaway dumping that the 3 feed glaciers ( leppard, flask and starbuck) will bring once the 'blockage' that a shelf causes to ice flow is removed. I'd also keep an eye on thwaites/Pine island as they also look to be about to pick up their calving rates as they move into wide open bays from the restricted calving front at present ( remember Nina conditions slow their rates of discharge so this long , drawn out, Nino should surely have the opposite effect? Next shelf down is Ross and it is the partial collapse of this that allows West Antarctica to become an island again. We now know that the warm bottom waters causing such issues higher up the peninsula reached here back in 2012 so how long before we see the first major dump from the Roosevelt island end of Ross? All in all it looks like a lot of bergs will be populating the waters around Antarctica over the coming 20 years? Sadly we also know that cold surface layers on the ocean have served to preserve the warmth of the waters below ( instead of shedding it to the atmosphere) allowing a more ferocious assault on the grounding lines of the glaciers/shelfs leading to deglaciation of the West Antarctic island. Graywolf: You do realize that the areas you are talking about re-glaciated about 10,000 years ago? When I was a young man, time was of no importance as it seemed I had time to court a wife, raise a few kids etc. Now that I am older, I realize that the march of time, and things that happen with age, will continue no matter what. Gray hair starts to appear, a few aches and pains show up. I can't throw 100# sacks of spuds for hours and not feel tired. Time marches on. The same applies to interglacials. During their youth, the ice is fresh and hard, nothing will impact it. But as in all things, as the ice ages, cracks appear and it isn't as robust anymore. Ya see, that slow erosion of higher temps continues 24/7 as long as the ice is there. The ice gets a bit weaker, not even really noticing it till in the waning years of its life. Things are going to happen, as that is WHAT happens during the short "non iceburg conditions" of an interglacial. Thank you for your updates. They are well thought out, and provide valuable information. You are like a doctor who tells a patient the progress of their decline. When you are older, you accept that this is what happens. When you are 25, you don't want to accept the potential that in fact, we all hope you get old. See the analogy?
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Post by Ratty on May 18, 2015 23:48:00 GMT
Look on the bright side, graywolf... maybe the bergs will float to the Arctic. Then all will be well! If they float past Australia, we might cool down a bit. It's an ill wind .....
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