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Post by flearider on Jul 26, 2015 18:06:37 GMT
that's def broke .. unless there using a new method of looking at things
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 26, 2015 18:18:52 GMT
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Post by flearider on Jul 26, 2015 18:32:22 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jul 26, 2015 21:44:53 GMT
Satellite sensors are likely frozen.
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Post by graywolf on Jul 27, 2015 10:55:32 GMT
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Post by graywolf on Jul 27, 2015 12:03:55 GMT
arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.htmlNow that is a 'flat line'! Eventually , with an ozone hole healing, we will see a similar situation in The Southern hemisphere as we have here in the north. The polar jet will wander and so we should expect 'cold outbreaks' , like we just saw in Ozz?, as the continent sheds cold and has warmer airs pour in. With warm bottom waters already in place any extra forcing , by the atmosphere, pushing warmer waters up against the ice cliff of the shelfs will lead to a further reduction in 'Doubling times' for ice loss from the continent. With P.I.G. and Thwaites so critical it will be an interesting watch this southern summer?
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Post by Andrew on Jul 27, 2015 15:41:25 GMT
Seems similar to last years record chart, and while the earlier years are obscured, 1986 is remarkably flat at the same point in time. Other things being equal you can put away the champagne and perhaps hope to celebrate the end of the world as we know it another time.
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Jul 27, 2015 17:55:38 GMT
Seems similar to last years record chart, and while the earlier years are obscured, 1986 is remarkably flat at the same point in time. Other things being equal you can put away the champagne and perhaps hope to celebrate the end of the world as we know it another time. Hmmm, That is weird. The signal does seem to be a bit choppy this time of year. As for it being the end of the world, I think that you should put your "The end is near!" sign away for now... Here is a different take to cheer you up. sunshinehours.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/antarctic_sea_ice_extent_zoomed_2015_day_207_1981-2010.png?w=1536&h=1023Feel better?
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Post by Ratty on Jul 28, 2015 0:08:52 GMT
Thanks DGOM. I'm definitely feeling better; this helped too (fewer wriggles):
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Post by graywolf on Aug 4, 2015 13:23:01 GMT
arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.htmlEvery time Ratty mentions snow in Ozz we see sea ice drop back on itself......... I've told him not to applaud Antarctica shipping out it's cold as it is not 'expanding cold' but shedding cold in exchange for Warm Air Advection from the north...... we know this all too well from our pole over recent years and , I Promise You, we do not want to see this trend occurring in the south. Sadly over the so called 'hiatus' years warm bottom waters still managed to breach the enhanced circumpolar current ( by dipping under it through chasms and canyons) and so is now in place right around from the peninsula to beyond Ross. The move away from PDO negative ( and the predominance of Nina/near Nina conditions) over the past years would hint at us now seeing the reverse of the past 15 years. With winds now primed to drive the warmed waters at the coasts 2015/16 may prove another big mass loss year for Antarctica.
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 4, 2015 13:24:54 GMT
Graywolf: I wouldn't worry too much about Antarctic Ice. The temp trend as a whole down there is it is getting colder.
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Post by graywolf on Aug 4, 2015 13:38:45 GMT
The continent will do as it wishes but gravity and warming southern oceans, which the Argo era now confirm is where the largest area of warming is, will continue to eat into the continental ice mass even if the tops of the ranges sit at -50c! It is not inland Antarctica that melts but coastal Antarctica and when you have a 2 mile thick pile of ice whatever you trim of the edges will be replaced by the ice beyond ( rinse and repeat). You are aware that we have an ocean channel between West and East Antarctica don't You? It is currently filled up with ice but with warm waters all around it and the ice shelfs in collapse how long before warm waters begin to float off the ice in that channel? We saw it 125,000 yrs ago with similar temps/ghg's to today's so why will we not see ourselves moving in that 'natural' direction again? We have some major game changers around Antarctica and after seeing what 5 years can do to a Svalbard ice cap/glacier I'm as concerned as the scientists who study such things as to where we might be headed. EDIT: Study of the retreat on Svalbard...... www.the-cryosphere.net/9/197/2015/tc-9-197-2015.htmlMuch the same is expected from W.A.I.S. I see insurance in Miami is grabbing headlines? That'll test a few Deniers metal won't it? I say let 'em refuse to pay..... they deny the science and so should know we won't see sea level hikes and higher storm surges..... your Govt. will give 'em a trailer somewhere once their property is wrecked though won't it? Obama's good like that.........
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 4, 2015 19:41:47 GMT
Graywolf: Yes, I am aware of the ocean channel. In fact, I can hardly wait for it to open.
I am being 100% serious when I say that. When the earth is warmer, it does better for humanity. It is truly an amazing place and not meant to have this much ice.
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Post by graywolf on Aug 5, 2015 9:04:51 GMT
If things were as simple as a slow increase , world wide, of temps then we might well adapt nicely but the planet i grew up on does not seem to hang that way?
We see predictions for future warming but must remember these are a 'global average' and the responses in the climate system will lead to a period of peturbations before settling into the 'new' climate norm.
How many years of failed crops do you think the U.S, can suffer before we start to see social impacts ( esp. with your crazy gun laws)?
The Antarctic Peninsula and the Arctic are both warming at a far faster rate than the equator ( as we would expect) and this overheating is having impact toward the Equator ( stuck weather patterns) leading to disruption of society ever more frequently.
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Post by Ratty on Aug 5, 2015 12:06:54 GMT
Failed crops GW?
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