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Post by sigurdur on Feb 4, 2014 3:13:24 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 4, 2014 4:13:11 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 4, 2014 4:24:13 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Feb 4, 2014 23:21:58 GMT
Sigurdur,
Continued multi-year drought in the southwest may provide even more economic incentive to diversify into cattle. Ranchers in Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Kansas have been hit hard the last few years. After some relief in Texas drought is starting to take hold again.
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Post by karlox on Feb 5, 2014 8:59:45 GMT
Please, do you have any hints on how this multi-year droughts in SW USA is related with the rest of the NH weather? I mean like if they were coincident with EL NIÑO or LA NIÑA or MODOKI, and same related to weather in Europe or North Atlantic temps, or PDO or prevailing AO-NAO, ocean currents and strenght and placement of Azores Blocking High... When you see NH Pole view animation loops 500mb and jets placement and wandering you realize how much blocking highs conditions weather patterns globally... Actually happening with North Pacific stubborn blocking high and others... So this multy-years droughts affecting such large areas must have some clear counterpart (either xtreme wetter or colder weather) omewhere else in NH?
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 12, 2014 3:03:28 GMT
"If you go back thousands of years, you see that droughts can go on for years if not decades, and there were some dry periods that lasted over a century, like during the Medieval period and the middle Holocene [the current geological epoch, which began about 11,000 years ago]. The 20th century was unusually mild here, in the sense that the droughts weren’t as severe as in the past. It was a wetter century, and a lot of our development has been based on that."
B. Lynn Ingram, a paleoclimatologist at the University of California, Berkeley
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 12, 2014 20:33:44 GMT
I am trying to find the reference, but one of the early naval explorers on coming ashore close to what is now San Francisco considered the area uninhabitable desert and not worth exploring. Droughts always have been common in California especially during the cold phase of the PDO.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 12, 2014 23:44:06 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 13, 2014 21:09:55 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 14, 2014 2:10:24 GMT
Thanks Code. I didn't pick up that link. Was a worthwhile listen.
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Post by Pooh on Feb 16, 2014 4:46:22 GMT
Political drought lament appears fishy. Cooke, Charles C. W. “Green Drought.” National Review Online, January 27, 2014. www.nationalreview.com/node/369490/print"For the sake of the smelt, California farmland lies fallow."
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 16, 2014 5:07:15 GMT
Will Rogers Today Water & snow everywhere except California California is drought-stricken. President Obama was in Fresno yesterday looking over the dry farmland and promised to send some money. The President and Democrat Senators are offering $300 million, but no water. Here’s Will Rogers comment in 1933 on water and gold in the West, “They have been hunting water in the West much longer than they have gold and buffaloes. If a wonderful spring come out of a mountain side, men left gold, silver and copper mines to come and grab that spring. Water ain't gold in the West, water is diamonds and platinum.” You may say, “well, this California’s problem, not ours.” Yes, except for one small detail: almost one-third of all our fruits and vegetables are grown in California. Now, California has water. The problem is they have too many people. And fish. www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152191291402295&id=25718387294
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 16, 2014 5:24:38 GMT
Political drought lament appears fishy. Cooke, Charles C. W. “Green Drought.” National Review Online, January 27, 2014. www.nationalreview.com/node/369490/print"For the sake of the smelt, California farmland lies fallow." Another example of stupid. Looks like if the Judge had to do it over again..he would. But for now, stuck with stupid.
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Post by van on Feb 21, 2014 23:16:00 GMT
I was stationed in west Texas in 68/69 (Del Rio)and southern Calif. (Riverside/ March AFB)79/82. Guess what? They are frigging Deserts. In Cal., the real problem is So Cal stealing water from North and Central Cal. to support a population and agriculture that should not be there. But that's politics, blame their problems on AGW instead of generational bad policies leading to overpopulating an area that should be very sparsely populated.
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Post by icefisher on Feb 22, 2014 4:57:22 GMT
I was stationed in west Texas in 68/69 (Del Rio)and southern Calif. (Riverside/ March AFB)79/82. Guess what? They are frigging Deserts. In Cal., the real problem is So Cal stealing water from North and Central Cal. to support a population and agriculture that should not be there. But that's politics, blame their problems on AGW instead of generational bad policies leading to overpopulating an area that should be very sparsely populated. Not quite accurate. California has always suffered from droughts. Offshore currents strongly affect rainfall patterns. The Delta Smelt issue has little to do with water shortages. The issue is pumping equipment sucking smelt eggs and smelt into the state water project system from a relatively small habitat on the edge of brackish water in the San Francisco Bay delta. The problem could have been solved a couple of generations ago via the building of a peripheral canal that diverted northern California water around the estuaries of the delta. Currently it just pours into the habitats of the delta and then is pumped out and its the pumping that is the problem. This is an endangered specie issue. Anywhere you have intense agriculture (such as the Klamath basin) you are going to have ecological change. Politics are always involved. Water rights are one of the most bizarre pieces of public policy.
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