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Post by tobyglyn on May 24, 2017 8:29:11 GMT
"added in major contributions from the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica." [referring to melting ice]. I thought the mass balance of Greenland was hugely positive at present. I have seen no suggestion anywhere that the land based ice mass of Antartica is doing much of anything. I understand the continent has been net cooling for three decades. You are letting facts get in the way of a scary (and profitable) story!
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Post by nautonnier on May 24, 2017 11:00:18 GMT
"added in major contributions from the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica." [referring to melting ice]. I thought the mass balance of Greenland was hugely positive at present. I have seen no suggestion anywhere that the land based ice mass of Antartica is doing much of anything. I understand the continent has been net cooling for three decades. Yes as Joe Bastardi said Greenland this year would need to have a record melt just to get back to normal. We are back in the "people do not understand big numbers" or 'just how big the world is". This ignorance is played on by the climate alarmist press who use what sound like huge numbers that are in fact dwarfed by the real world but can scare the ignorant.
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Post by acidohm on May 24, 2017 19:18:35 GMT
I like the small numbers...for example, humans emit 4.6% of global co2 emmisions at the moment, so our contribution to the atmosphere as being 100% is 0.00184%.
They dont mention that in ipcc documents!
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Post by douglavers on May 24, 2017 21:12:17 GMT
Occurs to me, looking at nice ice balance graph from above, that there must be a point where the lower temperature from higher [altitude wise] ice starts to choke off Summer melting.
Not to mention higher precipitation from higher altitude.
Having said that, Greenland is so large that a lot of extra snow must accumulate to make much difference.
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Post by nautonnier on May 24, 2017 21:45:31 GMT
Occurs to me, looking at nice ice balance graph from above, that there must be a point where the lower temperature from higher [altitude wise] ice starts to choke off Summer melting. Not to mention higher precipitation from higher altitude. Having said that, Greenland is so large that a lot of extra snow must accumulate to make much difference. Greenland is a little larger than most would think
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Post by Ratty on May 24, 2017 23:31:23 GMT
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Post by douglavers on May 25, 2017 5:58:56 GMT
My problem is the Northern Hemisphere - centric view that seems to be prevalent.
Mercator has a lot to answer for.
To twist the knife a little, Greenland is approximately a quarter the size of Australia ..............!
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Post by missouriboy on May 25, 2017 14:01:08 GMT
My problem is the Northern Hemisphere - centric view that seems to be prevalent. Mercator has a lot to answer for. To twist the knife a little, Greenland is approximately a quarter the size of Australia ..............! I think that Elizabeth slipped Mr Mercator a sizeable grant to inflate the monarch's realm.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 4, 2017 3:51:20 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 4, 2017 4:03:39 GMT
Our neighbors to the north seem to have created a whole new inland sea, And Tibet. Who would have thought? Blue lighting shows where land was converted into water over the period 1985–2015.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 2, 2017 18:46:11 GMT
link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10584-017-1991-3The evolution of relative sea level (RSL) in Venice, Italy, is crucial for the safeguarding of the city and it is now possible to extend our knowledge back to 1350, including the whole Little Ice Age and modern global warming. The existing tide gauge record is extensive, going back to 1871, but it is affected by the superposition of multidecadal swings and short-term fluctuations, including both natural and manmade forcing factors. A biological proxy, i.e. the green algae belt reported on paintings made with the help of a camera obscura by the Venetian painters Canaletto and Bellotto (eighteenth century) and Veronese (sixteenth century), helps us to go back to 1571. This paper presents an exceptionally long series (i.e. 664 years) and adds a novel proxy: the submersion of water stairs of the historic palaces facing the Grand Canal.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2017 1:40:08 GMT
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016GL071355/abstract?campaign=woletocDecadal variability of European sea level extremes in relation to the solar activity Authors First published: 19 November 2016Full publication history DOI: 10.1002/2016GL071355 View/save citation Cited by (CrossRef): 1 article Article has an altmetric score of 1 Abstract This study investigates the relationship between decadal changes in solar activity and sea level extremes along the European coasts and derived from tide gauge data. Autumn sea level extremes vary with the 11 year solar cycle at Venice as suggested by previous studies, but a similar link is also found at Trieste. In addition, a solar signal in winter sea level extremes is also found at Venice, Trieste, Marseille, Ceuta, Brest, and Newlyn. The influence of the solar cycle is also evident in the sea level extremes derived from a barotropic model with spatial patterns that are consistent with the correlations obtained at the tide gauges. This agreement indicates that the link to the solar cycle is through modulation of the atmospheric forcing. The only atmospheric regional pattern that showed variability at the 11 year period was the East Atlantic pattern.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2017 3:34:05 GMT
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Post by graywolf on Jul 10, 2017 13:23:52 GMT
We folk who tried to warn the world, this past 40 years, of the damage we were doing and the changes we were lining up for Humanity lost the battle. We were already faultering at the turn of the century but the Hay Deniers made through the alleged 'Pause in warming' was the final nail in our coffin. There is nothing we can do now to stop the planet seeing the worse possible outcomes that were being mooted in the 1980's. We will not keep temps below 1.5c, that will fall in the first half of the 2020's and , should we not catch a break ,2c will fall by the end of that decade. We are now dialed in to see increasingly extreme weather events ever more frequently and the start of the mass dying's ( are we not seeing that in NE Africa currently?) with S.India/Africa, parts of China, parts of the U.S. and Russia frequently seeing events that cause migration/deaths. How does it feel to be on the losing side? Well we did our best and it just was not enough. no biggie if you gave your all. It does now leave us free to ask questions of the 'winners' as to why we are seeing this or that event when we were told it was all doom mongering? It it at least gives us the knowledge that we kept our integrity and our cause was just and for the betterment of all? Ho hum.....
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Post by flearider on Jul 10, 2017 13:49:49 GMT
well near mid july temps normally well say normally over the sun's grand max .. were 26-30c now 16c so plz stop going on about warming .. it just isn't true now like then .. bout time you drank the cool aid ?
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