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Post by sigurdur on Jun 22, 2014 0:58:54 GMT
Today is the 1st day of summer in Northern Hemisphere. A large flock of geese was flying north. In my 60+ years I have not observed migrating geese this late. 1st week of June one might see a few stragglers. The past week I have seen 200 bird "V". And not just one. This is downright strange.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 22, 2014 17:33:18 GMT
Today is the 1st day of summer in Northern Hemisphere. A large flock of geese was flying north. In my 60+ years I have not observed migrating geese this late. 1st week of June one might see a few stragglers. The past week I have seen 200 bird "V". And not just one. This is downright strange. The answer is that Astromet is studying the right science of climate change, the only question is how accurate his interpretation is.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 22, 2014 20:42:28 GMT
The answer is that Astromet is studying the right science of climate change, the only question is how accurate his interpretation is. What? Sig didn't ask a question? Unless I missed it? And as if 60 years is a long time even. Sorry Sig. He posed a mystery Code! And what the heck does 60 years have anything to do with it?
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 22, 2014 21:05:08 GMT
My point is this activity is not remotely close to normal. And the dramatic shift is noticeable.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 22, 2014 21:52:49 GMT
My point is this activity is not remotely close to normal. And the dramatic shift is noticeable. Well the last solar cycles we experienced remotely similar to this Cycle 24 were Cycles 12, 13, and 14 which ran from 1878 to 1913. It should be obvious CO2 is not controlling the climate and that the heat being sucked to the bottom of the ocean is complete and unadulterated BS. The opposite is more likely true, the climate is being kept a bit warmer than normal by the heat absorbed by the oceans over the past 100 years that is now exiting the oceans, but big climate change is in progress and we have no idea for how long. If one can find justification to consult anybody on this at all, grab your local astrologist as its pretty clear they probably are at least practicing their work looking at the most likely suspect. IMHO, the astrologists are looking at the same suspect science was looking at until somebody figured out they could make a lot more money trying to solve anthropogenic problems than natural ones.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 23, 2014 2:47:44 GMT
I have no clue why there are such numbers of late flying geese. One would think they would want to get north faster, to take advantage of a shorter season for hatching etc. A mystery to me. I awoke to a very, and I mean very large flock on the 14th. It was 5:25am, and when I heard them I thought..........really? I had to go out right away to see how dog gone big this flock was. I counted 157 birds in 1/2 of the V. The other 1/2 appeared to be longer. And then 10 mins later, another similar sized flock flew over. Then, to see a flock on the 20th, that just is NOT normal.
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Post by douglavers on Jun 23, 2014 4:41:37 GMT
It is clear that the Arctic Summer is starting late this year. The interesting question is how the geese "know" conditions are subnormal.
One has to hope they can fledge their chicks before the freeze.
In South Australia, Lake Erie is normally a flat dry hot saltpan, covering a large area.
Occasionally, it floods dramatically, and I understand that many thousands of pelicans descend on the lake to feed on brine shrimps.
The interesting question is how the birds "know" these conditions are prevalent.
Flying into that area in most summers might lead them to die of thirst.
Bush Telegraph?!!
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Post by icefisher on Jun 23, 2014 7:04:28 GMT
It is clear that the Arctic Summer is starting late this year. The interesting question is how the geese "know" conditions are subnormal. One has to hope they can fledge their chicks before the freeze. In South Australia, Lake Erie is normally a flat dry hot saltpan, covering a large area. Occasionally, it floods dramatically, and I understand that many thousands of pelicans descend on the lake to feed on brine shrimps. The interesting question is how the birds "know" these conditions are prevalent. Flying into that area in most summers might lead them to die of thirst. Bush Telegraph?!! The late defrost could well be preventing something from getting into the air. How do salmon find their way back to the same streamlet they were hatched in?
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Post by douglavers on Jun 23, 2014 12:02:34 GMT
Icefisher, my jaded memory recalls that only two species of bird have a sense of smell. I am certain that does not include the pelicans or geese.
The explanation of how salmon [mostly] find their source river is apparently the "taste" of the water.
Personally, I am highly dubious of this; a very few kilometers from its entry into the sea, I would have thought any distinctive mineral content would have been diluted out of existence, not to mention cross contamination from nearby rivers. Salmon range over thousands of kilometers.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 23, 2014 14:50:30 GMT
Icefisher, my jaded memory recalls that only two species of bird have a sense of smell. I am certain that does not include the pelicans or geese. The explanation of how salmon [mostly] find their source river is apparently the "taste" of the water. Personally, I am highly dubious of this; a very few kilometers from its entry into the sea, I would have thought any distinctive mineral content would have been diluted out of existence, not to mention cross contamination from nearby rivers. Salmon range over thousands of kilometers. Perhaps a taste of air? Or perhaps a change in the weather pattern, the forecasts for a short growing season may contain the indicator for the geese to migrate late also. I think its probably OK to rule out they look at a calendar to determine when to depart for the north.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 23, 2014 15:52:19 GMT
He posed a mystery Code! And what the heck does 60 years have anything to do with it? I'm slow and the 60 years was a question about his age. Perhaps Geese have long term variations in migration? If Sig is only 60 he is still a youngster! No doubt they have long term variations in migration. But maybe this opens another discussion of freewill vs determinism type debate! At minimum though we are talking about "herd" behavior. Perhaps the scientists among the geese came to a consensus on the issue.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 23, 2014 16:37:25 GMT
I am a bit over 60, and don't mind one bit being an old fart.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 27, 2014 15:00:40 GMT
Well they perhaps they knew it wasn't going to be warm in the Great White North this year - DMI certainly shows another cold summer so far for the Arctic You can understand why Joe Bastardi is saying that the ice is not going to go as fast this year. Or to put it another way - this is Arctic amplification?
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