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Post by nautonnier on Sept 30, 2014 1:32:47 GMT
Remember the actual tax paid in the long term is the governments spend. We to often view tax rates as the spend but forget that a large deficit is simply a delayed tax. On the $1 per gallon tax I travel in the US and Europe a lot both areas are easy to travel in with rental cars. The difference is that fuel in Europe is double the cost of the US but the cars tend to use about half the fuel. I believe the strategic value of this policy is massive. A similar fleet of fuel efficient cars in the US would consume some 5 million barrels per day less. Much cheaper than invading Iraq etc. and it makes the hidden cost of the military spend look like poor economics. I personally do not buy into peak oil or CAGW but energy is a strategic element of any economy. Ask Europe how pleased they are to be dependent on Russian gas? Ialso travel in Europe and the US mainly by rental cars. I would agree on the size of cars Rome being possibly the best example of a city with cars that make the Mercedes 'Smart' look like a limousine. However, you are not really comparing like with like. The distances routinely driven in the US are far higher than in the EU, and the terrain is a lot more challenging. So although I used to regularly drive Hannover to London which in Europe is a long way, in the US it is not really remarkable. It is not easy to find a totally wilderness area in Europe there is almost aways a building witin walking distance, but wildernesses are common in the US. You really need to have a heavy powerful vehicle in remote areas.
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 30, 2014 5:08:01 GMT
There are certainly differences but some of the least capable cars at long distance have been in the US, maybe more of a function of the poor quality cars produced in the US.
My point was that the tax would and does craft the outcome, and the results are surprisingly close. The Economist had an article in it from the 90s that talked about the value of a $1gal tax. the key points and it was 15 to 20 tears ago were that the deficit would go the energy usage would change in the US and the reduction in oil consumption would in the US be approximately the output of Iraq. I didn't make it up it came from a very respected source. Again you judge a trillion dollars later and hardly resolved. As they say, heads should roll for such poor political management, unfortunately the people who loose their heads are hardly the cause of this disaster.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 1, 2014 0:27:21 GMT
There are certainly differences but some of the least capable cars at long distance have been in the US, maybe more of a function of the poor quality cars produced in the US. My point was that the tax would and does craft the outcome, and the results are surprisingly close. The Economist had an article in it from the 90s that talked about the value of a $1gal tax. the key points and it was 15 to 20 tears ago were that the deficit would go the energy usage would change in the US and the reduction in oil consumption would in the US be approximately the output of Iraq. I didn't make it up it came from a very respected source. Again you judge a trillion dollars later and hardly resolved. As they say, heads should roll for such poor political management, unfortunately the people who loose their heads are hardly the cause of this disaster. Well the price of gas has increased in the US over that time from around $1.20 to $3.50. So has the gas consumption dropped by the output of Iraq as it was 20 years ago? I doubt it. There is a significant amount of inelastic demand in the type of vehicle and the amount of driving. There have been some changes - ostentatiously wasteful vehicles have ceased to be sold - such as the civilian Humvee. But large SUVs and pickups continue as before. TOwnie academics need to live a more remote existence every now and then and find out that Fiat 850s and Mercedes 'Smart' cars really good in town, don't really crack it in many more bucolic areas of the USA.
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Post by AstroMet on Nov 2, 2014 2:33:41 GMT
In other words he floated a trial balloon for some way to further raise revenue? The sole purpose of the entire AGW and Agenda21 activities is to raise more tax, and to take control of the population by regulating their energy usage. It has led to thousands of deaths per winter month in the UK caused by fuel poverty and the cold. In Germany hundreds of thousands of homes are 'off grid' as they cannot afford the energy prices. It is all about control. This is true Nautonnier as the hidden hands in the energy markets surely have manipulated prices for a long time now. However, with the advent of global cooling, which many people disastrously underestimate at this point in time, there will be far more deaths to come during the years of cold temperatures, blasting storms and altered growing seasons due to global cooling.
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Post by glennkoks on Nov 2, 2014 4:05:15 GMT
Remember the actual tax paid in the long term is the governments spend. We to often view tax rates as the spend but forget that a large deficit is simply a delayed tax. On the $1 per gallon tax I travel in the US and Europe a lot both areas are easy to travel in with rental cars. The difference is that fuel in Europe is double the cost of the US but the cars tend to use about half the fuel. I believe the strategic value of this policy is massive. A similar fleet of fuel efficient cars in the US would consume some 5 million barrels per day less. Much cheaper than invading Iraq etc. and it makes the hidden cost of the military spend look like poor economics. I personally do not buy into peak oil or CAGW but energy is a strategic element of any economy. Ask Europe how pleased they are to be dependent on Russian gas? Oil is a finite resource. So to a certain degree I buy into peak oil. With that being said Hubbard could not accurately forecast the effect of technological advances on production. Until recently we had to look for the right geological formations that acted as a hydrocarbon "trap". Horizontal drilling in concert with multi-stage tracking has for the first time allowed us to produce from the actual "source rock" and this is a game changer. However, it is not cheap to do so. The break even for most companies drilling in the North American shale formations is currently somewhere between 65.00 and 75.00 a barrel. Below this level and most companies are not profitable. However, it has been said that the Saudi's are trying to "break the back" of the American shale play. They are opening the valves and refuse to cut production in an effort to keep oil below 75.00 for an extended period to regain market share. We experienced this once in the early 1980's and it may be happening again. We will see as this time around there is much, much more demand from the developing world.
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Post by Pooh on Nov 6, 2014 4:54:02 GMT
Taxes (and Control) The Politics of AGW (Oct 28, 2008) solarcycle24com.proboards.com/thread/192/politics-agw?page=1On Increased Mortality: Cadman, Emily. “UK Sees Steep Increase in Winter Deaths.” Financial Times, November 26, 2013. www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/763fcb26-5681-11e3-ab12-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2luySfQ2W. FoxNews Nelson, Fraser. “It’s the Cold, Not Global Warming, That We Should Be Worried about.” Telegraph.co.uk, March 28, 2013, sec. elderhealth. www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9959856/Its-the-cold-not-global-warming-that-we-should-be-worried-about.htmlHope, Jenny. “Fuel Poverty Britain: 24,000 Will Die from Cold This Winter and 3m Worry about Heating Their Home.” Mail Online, January 19, 2014. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478114/Fuel-poverty-Britain-24k-die-winter-rising-energy-prices.html
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Post by Ratty on Nov 6, 2014 10:12:40 GMT
Taxes (and Control) The Politics of AGW (Oct 28, 2008) solarcycle24com.proboards.com/thread/192/politics-agw?page=1On Increased Mortality: Cadman, Emily. “UK Sees Steep Increase in Winter Deaths.” Financial Times, November 26, 2013. www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/763fcb26-5681-11e3-ab12-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2luySfQ2W. FoxNews Nelson, Fraser. “It’s the Cold, Not Global Warming, That We Should Be Worried about.” Telegraph.co.uk, March 28, 2013, sec. elderhealth. www.telegraph.co.uk/health/elderhealth/9959856/Its-the-cold-not-global-warming-that-we-should-be-worried-about.htmlHope, Jenny. “Fuel Poverty Britain: 24,000 Will Die from Cold This Winter and 3m Worry about Heating Their Home.” Mail Online, January 19, 2014. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478114/Fuel-poverty-Britain-24k-die-winter-rising-energy-prices.htmlI would hit the "Like" button ...... but, I don't like this, at all.
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Post by shaggy on Nov 11, 2014 1:15:54 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 11, 2014 1:57:33 GMT
Ayep.....20 years from now. But hark, that is what they said 20 years ago too!
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 26, 2014 4:25:50 GMT
Why the base at 54 degrees f?
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Post by shaggy on Nov 26, 2014 16:56:08 GMT
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Post by magellan on Dec 4, 2014 4:51:41 GMT
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Post by shaggy on Dec 4, 2014 6:29:51 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/30318625Okay WTF is going on? I believe in global cooling taking place or will assert itself more in the coming years but 2014 the hottest year ever? Astromet, your take on this?
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Post by nonentropic on Dec 4, 2014 7:14:19 GMT
UHI will probably put this all in place. 2F in 150 years of NY growth would suggest a slight rise or fall but the ability to attract cyclones is dubious at best.
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Post by scpg02 on Dec 4, 2014 16:09:08 GMT
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