fred
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Post by fred on Oct 7, 2014 8:34:03 GMT
When diseases like this affected small villages it was delt with by isolating the hut that the family lived in. Food was left outside the hut and if it wasn't consumed then the family was deemed to be dead and the hut burnt.This killed off the disease. As villages increased in size this became harder to do. As said above, the population has become more mobile and would increase around infected areas as people try to leave these areas. 3rd world countries have poor border controls and movement is possible anywhere. Now we see it creeping across the seas.
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Oct 8, 2014 3:37:21 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 8, 2014 3:37:21 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Oct 8, 2014 6:27:09 GMT
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Post by douglavers on Oct 8, 2014 7:37:52 GMT
I spoke to a microbiologist I know this afternoon. Unprompted, she made a comment to the effect that suggesting that Ebola was not infective by aerosol [ie cough] was improbable.
Judge Jeanine was somewhat emotive, but I think the sentiments were correct.
There is no defense against stupidity.
All flights from West Africa should be stopped pro-tem.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 8, 2014 9:12:20 GMT
I spoke to a microbiologist I know this afternoon. Unprompted, she made a comment to the effect that suggesting that Ebola was not infective by aerosol [ie cough] was improbable. Judge Jeanine was somewhat emotive, but I think the sentiments were correct. There is no defense against stupidity. All flights from West Africa should be stopped pro-tem. The case in Dallas flew in from Brussels. The reason that neighboring countries have also got ebola outbreaks is that people are walking out to avoid getting sick that are already infected. The weakness in the current system is that you are expected to fill in a form to tell immigration which countries you have visited; THAT is the ONLY way currently anyone knows where you were before. So fly out to Kenya (or wherever you can) then on to a third country then to USA with a connection through Brussels. If you know that you will get zero treatment in [name an African country] but will at least get good hospital treatment in Europe or the USA are you going to admit on forms where you came from knowing the admission will get you turned away? You will lie . The entire immigration check rests on the honesty of the person with the most reason to lie and what they write down on the entry form. So yes the Feds are now threatening to charge the case in Dallas with a felony for lying and bringing in a deadly weapon..... so instead of dying in a squalid area of Africa he will be kept well fed in the USA presumably to be deported back home well after the epidemic has gone. Seems like that is a reasonable outcome from his point of view. So will that discourage someone else from doing the same thing?
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Oct 8, 2014 16:16:01 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Oct 8, 2014 16:16:01 GMT
Poor bugger isn't going anywhere now....
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Post by scpg02 on Oct 8, 2014 21:47:31 GMT
Poor bugger isn't going anywhere now.... I just read an article saying one of the cops who delivered the quarantine notice to the family is now symptomatic and on watch.
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 9, 2014 2:17:04 GMT
Poor bugger isn't going anywhere now.... I just read an article saying one of the cops who delivered the quarantine notice to the family is now symptomatic and on watch. Yep. This is spread more easily than a fresh cow pie.
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Post by douglavers on Oct 10, 2014 11:10:44 GMT
There is a fundamental problem with the hospital quarantine system in West Africa.
If I had a low grade fever, whether or not it was the precursor to Ebola, the last place I would go is such a hospital.
If I did not have the disease, I would be almost certain to catch it from the surrounding patients. Why would I risk that if I might only? have malaria, blackwater fever, cholera....
It is killing large numbers of medical workers, despite whatever protective gear is being used.
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Post by flearider on Oct 10, 2014 14:31:14 GMT
they wear the gear fine but they prob don't decon after .. just taking it off and you can catch it .. being tired and over worked leads to mistakes ..
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Oct 11, 2014 2:53:41 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 11, 2014 2:53:41 GMT
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Post by scpg02 on Oct 11, 2014 4:35:38 GMT
Must be true. We know Obama would never lie.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 11, 2014 12:04:11 GMT
Someone should publicly shake hands with him and say - oh BTW I was in Liberia last week.... then watch the panic scrubbing going on Here is a good up to date report note for the wiggle watchers - this report states that the number of reported cases dropping is actually an indication of the spread getting worse and overwhelming the capacity of the local systems to carry out epidemiological tracing.
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 12, 2014 13:29:19 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 12, 2014 15:16:25 GMT
From that article A few years ago now I used to spend a lot of time in protective suits, the one point repeatedly made was decontamination of the suit and accoutrements was extremely important. Not only that but it was essential to ensure that the discarded suits were not a source of contamination to others when being taken off. So there would be positive pressure areas with the air being vented to contaminated areas and so on. This takes a huge amount of discipline and training that probably is not a strong point with nursing. It also reverses all the normal nursing practices which are geared to stop the nurse infecting the patient. ****If there are any cases in UK things will be even worse as the NHS has no capability to deal with more than 2 cases at special units after that they'll be sitting in crowded A&E (ERs) vomiting for four hours before they are sent home with an aspirin or paracetamol (acetomeniphen). IFF Ebola gets into mainland Europe things will not be pretty. ****A common test of efficacy of decontamination was to use a fluorescent powder similar to talcum powder (often a normal household powdered detergent but ground to the consistency of expresso coffee powder). Smother gloved hands with that powder then go through decontam then use a UV lamp to look for fluorescent spots. A very salutory lesson when not only the person tested but the people doing decontam show patches of fluorescence when one or two virus particles is sufficient to infect someone or a droplet smaller than a pin head is fatal......
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