zaphod
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Post by zaphod on Oct 12, 2014 15:55:22 GMT
"Shropshire firm helps in Ebola battle A medical supplies company in Shropshire has found itself on the front line in the fight against Ebola – preparing to work 24 hours a day to keep up with demand." www.shropshirestar.com/shropshire-business/2014/10/10/shropshire-firm-helps-in-ebola-battle/I'm not sure if this hit the national media, but I heard about the story and tracked down this local paper item. Worrying sentence, "SP Services has had meetings with the UK Government and sold to Africans who have flown into the UK for a single day to buy the simple hand gels to help combat the spread of the disease." So, the Africans - where from, how many, were they screened? The company are obviously well placed to do a good job, but their visitors concern me!
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 12, 2014 16:21:29 GMT
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Post by scpg02 on Oct 12, 2014 18:25:09 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 12, 2014 19:26:51 GMT
From that article A few years ago now I used to spend a lot of time in protective suits, the one point repeatedly made was decontamination of the suit and accoutrements was extremely important. Not only that but it was essential to ensure that the discarded suits were not a source of contamination to others when being taken off. So there would be positive pressure areas with the air being vented to contaminated areas and so on. This takes a huge amount of discipline and training that probably is not a strong point with nursing. It also reverses all the normal nursing practices which are geared to stop the nurse infecting the patient. ****If there are any cases in UK things will be even worse as the NHS has no capability to deal with more than 2 cases at special units after that they'll be sitting in crowded A&E (ERs) vomiting for four hours before they are sent home with an aspirin or paracetamol (acetomeniphen). IFF Ebola gets into mainland Europe things will not be pretty. ****A common test of efficacy of decontamination was to use a fluorescent powder similar to talcum powder (often a normal household powdered detergent but ground to the consistency of expresso coffee powder). Smother gloved hands with that powder then go through decontam then use a UV lamp to look for fluorescent spots. A very salutory lesson when not only the person tested but the people doing decontam show patches of fluorescence when one or two virus particles is sufficient to infect someone or a droplet smaller than a pin head is fatal...... "This takes a huge amount of discipline and training that probably is not a strong point with nursing" I take issue, but not offense, with that statement as I personally know a nurse who has much discipline and training. This particular nurse has much experience with full isolation suits, positive pressure rooms etc., etc.,. For whatever reason the story out of Texas reminds me of the NIH problem a few years ago. stm.sciencemag.org/content/4/148/148ra116.full?sid=9c828335-7530NIH used this machine for decontamination www.bioquell.com/en-uk/markets/product-selector/bioquell-rbds/It was learned the infection had a high degree of environmental stability. I do not know the stability of Ebola in the environment. Anybody? References? In one of my past existences I worked as a nurse in a hospital in London my siblings are both in the UK National Health Service in different areas. So I am not knocking things for the sake of knocking them. I am not convinced that the same level of caution is applied as in other HAZMAT areas as usually it is protection of the patient from external threats rather than the staff from threats from the patient, and from other staff disrobing. Had the methods used been effective the nurse in question would not have been infected after all (nor the Spanish nurse in Madrid). Late addition.... CDC Wrong, All US Hospitals Can't Treat Ebola Safely"Besser agreed with Dr. Tom Frieden, the CDC head, who had said that the new Ebola case was caused by a "breach in protocol." "You cannot get sick without a breach in protocol, [however] you can't implement that protocol without training and practice. It's very difficult to take off the protective gear in such a manner that you don't potentially contaminate yourself.""
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Post by Ratty on Oct 12, 2014 23:00:11 GMT
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Post by douglavers on Oct 12, 2014 23:56:50 GMT
What I find incomprehensible is the idea that the US and UK governments plan to send in army personnel to help in W Africa.
I think the latter announcement was accompanied by a statement that infected personnel [WHEN that occurs] would not necessarily be sent back to the UK. [Grounds for mutiny?!!!]
I cannot understand how relatively untrained, from a health/ebola point of view, army personnel could really help. There is already an alarming rate of infection among health workers.
What they would do is form another potent set of infection locii.
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Post by magellan on Oct 13, 2014 0:30:18 GMT
Don't forget nosocomial infections (hospital acquired) were hidden from public records 15 years ago. Countless thousands die from from these infections (VRE and MRSA) infections each year. Most people know someone now that has or had them. The really sickening part of it all is there are natural antimicrobial substances that easily kill abx resistant bacteria. How do I know this? I went through it with my dad 15 years ago, and saved his foot from amputation. Word of this got out, then a man from Chile emailed me and said his father was going to lose both feet, and the doctors were open to try anything. A co-worker's mother was 6 weeks bouncing between U of M in Ann Arbor and the hospital with VRE. The doctors poo-pooed the protocol, until desperation set in two weeks later and I gave them some of the "stuff". 5 days later she tested negative and went home alive. Nothing the government or hospitals say is to be trusted. Remember, Obama assured Americans Ebola coming to our country was "highly unlikely". Meanwhile, let's continue to bring in thousands of illegals (undocumented Democrats) with who knows what disease. Why aren't the borders being locked down and all flights from countries known to be home to Ebola restricted? Ebola is bad, but why isn't the Enterovirus D68 on the front pages? www.cnn.com/2014/10/11/health/michigan-enterovirus-68-death/index.htmlThe CDC is just another extension of the Obama doctrine: lie, obfuscate and blame someone else. What a bunch of incompetent boobs. Considering Ebola has a ~3 week(?) incubation period, what the hell good is a temperature monitor unit at airports and check points? Oh wait, there are no check points at the border for the "welcomed new citizens" freely crossing the southern border.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 13, 2014 10:36:11 GMT
I am reliably informed that the route used is to fly to places like Trinidad then to Mexico and with a suitably rewarded Coyote walk through the Democrat open door. African migrants from the Ebola areas can be inside the USA in under a week with the incubation period for Ebola up to 3 weeks.
Iff this is happening - AND - a few Ebola cases are in the stream THEN expect breakouts of the disease in the densely populated areas that these migrants normally go to. Question is will the news be let out or be sat on like other issues, especially as we are within the Benghazi time of the next election.
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Post by flearider on Oct 13, 2014 16:44:37 GMT
so within 21 weeks you could have an unstoppable virus burning thru the west .. sorry but what about fruit and veg coming from these places slightly sick person touches food which is shipped to Europe (chilled) within 2 days it's on the shelfs ? I'm assuming it's quiet possible ?
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 15, 2014 10:16:47 GMT
A second case of Ebola has been identified among 'care workers' in Dallas. Those of a sensitive nature should read no further... = = = = = = = = "News of the latest positive test comes one day after the largest U.S. nurses' union charged that Duncan' caregivers worked for days without proper protective gear and faced constantly changing protocols.
A statement from National Nurses United also says Thomas Eric Duncan was left in an open area of an emergency room for hours.
A spokesman for the group says nurses were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments. It's said that the patient had explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting."Texas health officials say second healthcare worker at Dallas hospital tests positive for EbolaIf you read the entire article you will see that what I said in my previous post was not far from the truth in Dallas. If the officials from the CDC were required to assist I am sure that suddenly suitable equipment and hazmat suits would be magically available. Do not think for a moment that this black comedy of errors would not occur in any of the major 1st world countries who health services are looking down their noses at the capability of Liberia and Sierra Leone. WHO currently estimates the infection rate will reach 10,000 a week in the next months.
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Post by douglavers on Oct 15, 2014 11:23:23 GMT
This complete amateur thinks that there is prima facie evidence that ebola is transmissable by aerosol infection. Heaven help the health care workers in Africa, if a modern Texas hospital cannot safely handle the virus.
Methinks, someone has blundered.
There is no defense against stupidity.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 15, 2014 18:11:01 GMT
This complete amateur thinks that there is prima facie evidence that ebola is transmissable by aerosol infection. Heaven help the health care workers in Africa, if a modern Texas hospital cannot safely handle the virus. Methinks, someone has blundered. There is no defense against stupidity. Aerosol infection is not airborne transmission. The common flu is transmitted via aerosol infection. Side thought... the flu season is suppose to be strong this year. Funny you should say that... "IMPORTANT UPDATE: August 13th: The CDC has admitted that the Ebola virus can travel through air, but they made that admission in a very sneaky and hard to find manner. The following statement is added as a footnote at the very bottom of the page: Casual contact is defined as a) being within approximately 3 feet or within the room or care area for a prolonged period of time while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment or having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD case while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment."Ebola what you are not being told
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Post by magellan on Oct 16, 2014 3:21:16 GMT
A second case of Ebola has been identified among 'care workers' in Dallas. Those of a sensitive nature should read no further... = = = = = = = = "News of the latest positive test comes one day after the largest U.S. nurses' union charged that Duncan' caregivers worked for days without proper protective gear and faced constantly changing protocols.
A statement from National Nurses United also says Thomas Eric Duncan was left in an open area of an emergency room for hours.
A spokesman for the group says nurses were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments. It's said that the patient had explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting."Texas health officials say second healthcare worker at Dallas hospital tests positive for EbolaIf you read the entire article you will see that what I said in my previous post was not far from the truth in Dallas. If the officials from the CDC were required to assist I am sure that suddenly suitable equipment and hazmat suits would be magically available. Do not think for a moment that this black comedy of errors would not occur in any of the major 1st world countries who health services are looking down their noses at the capability of Liberia and Sierra Leone. WHO currently estimates the infection rate will reach 10,000 a week in the next months. Remember the doctor that contracted Ebola and returned to the U.S.? It looked like the hazmat scene in ET....... There are many very smart people in those countries that died, including their top epidemiologist.
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Post by scpg02 on Oct 16, 2014 4:40:03 GMT
The boyfriend of the nurse now has it. so that is two nurses and one boyfriend. plus the one nurse had the CDC tell her it was ok to fly. Really???!!! I think the keystone cops are running the government.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 16, 2014 10:25:57 GMT
The boyfriend of the nurse now has it. so that is two nurses and one boyfriend. plus the one nurse had the CDC tell her it was ok to fly. Really???!!! I think the keystone cops are running the government. The 'clipboard man'Keystone cops is about right ... "' Who's the idiot with the clipboard?' Disbelief and panic as mystery man WITHOUT a hazmat suit helps second Ebola nurse board her plane to Atlanta, disposes waste and then climbs aboard
* Man casually dressed in shirt and pants seen on live television walking with Amber Vinson Surrounded by health care workers and Vinson ALL dressed in hazmat suits * Boarded the plane in Dallas after a weak Miss Vinson was helped on, and appears to have flown with her as he was later spotted at the Atlanta airport * Social media has dubbed him the 'clipboard man' - expressing shock that he came so close to an infected patient and unprotected * As of early Thursday morning, he remains unidentified. The ambulance service and Emory University Hospital said he was not with them * He may be with the CDC, which organized the flight from Dallas to Atlanta. However, they have not confirmed this despite being asked to"Daily Mail and other Sources
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