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Post by Ratty on Dec 2, 2014 22:45:06 GMT
Welcome to the forum MissouriBoy from South-East Queensland, Australia.
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Post by anse on Dec 2, 2014 22:46:15 GMT
Relatively new press release out from the Space and Science Corporation: spaceandscience.net/id16.html (Open pdf for further information.) Similar to Astromets predictions, however a temperature drop of less quantity is predicted.
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Post by flyfisher7 on Dec 2, 2014 23:05:54 GMT
Relatively new press release out from the Space and Science Corporation: spaceandscience.net/id16.html (Open pdf for further information.) Similar to Astromets predictions, however a temperature drop of less quantity is predicted. I've seen a lot of John Casey's lectures. He references the Dalton Minimum as a comparable time period for what is ahead. He says we should know in ~5yrs just how long and low the minimum will be.
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Post by flearider on Dec 2, 2014 23:46:40 GMT
Dalton is bad as long as it's not a maunders we may survive ..
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 3, 2014 0:13:17 GMT
Welcome to the forum MissouriBoy from South-East Queensland, Australia. Love Queensland mate! Have fond memories of snorkeling the barrier reef. Too bad I can't afford it any more. Cheers.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 3, 2014 0:31:50 GMT
I do not want to sound like a Doomsday Prepper but I have started taking steps to provide for my family in the case of the "extremely unlikely". This could be an extreme drop in worldwide temps as Astromet has been forecasting. It could be an cyber attack on our grid or banking system, a solar storm crashing the grid, an EMP or a viral outbreak. Pretty much anything that would disrupt our way of life. "Perfect Storms" may be one or more of these thrown at us due to something like abrupt climate change. I was urged in that direction by one of my buddies who is a Doomsday Prepper. I am not religious at all but part of the Church Of Latter Day Saints dogma is to be prepared. They buy, package and sell to the public dried canned food supplies that are advertised good for 30 years. I figure what the hell. I spend thousands a year on auto, fire, flood, windstorm and life insurance why not a few months worth of non perishable goods? So with the help of my "doomsday prepare" I started to stock up on a few dry goods that would help supplement my families needs in the case of the "Extremely Unlikely". I would encourage everyone to take the bare minimum steps to protect your family as well. Simply Google "Family Home Storage Longer Term Supply". I think the can of dried beans pictured set me back a couple of dollars. I purchased them at the Mormon center with no questions asked, no conversion attempts, nothing but smiles. One mans opinion...
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 3, 2014 0:47:15 GMT
Each to his own. Somehow I am not worried about surviving.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 3, 2014 0:50:14 GMT
I do not want to sound like a Doomsday Prepper but I have started taking steps to provide for my family in the case of the "extremely unlikely". This could be an extreme drop in worldwide temps as Astromet has been forecasting. It could be an cyber attack on our grid or banking system, a solar storm crashing the grid, an EMP or a viral outbreak. Pretty much anything that would disrupt our way of life. "Perfect Storms" may be one or more of these thrown at us due to something like abrupt climate change. I was urged in that direction by one of my buddies who is a Doomsday Prepper. I am not religious at all but part of the Church Of Latter Day Saints dogma is to be prepared. They buy, package and sell to the public dried canned food supplies that are advertised good for 30 years. I figure what the hell. I spend thousands a year on auto, fire, flood, windstorm and life insurance why not a few months worth of non perishable goods? So with the help of my "doomsday prepare" I started to stock up on a few dry goods that would help supplement my families needs in the case of the "Extremely Unlikely". I would encourage everyone to take the bare minimum steps to protect your family as well. Simply Google "Family Home Storage Longer Term Supply". I think the can of dried beans pictured set me back a couple of dollars. I purchased them at the Mormon center with no questions asked, no conversion attempts, nothing but smiles. One mans opinion... Ten and twenty pound bags of dried pinto beans in commercially sealed bags at $0.69 per lb. at Sams Club also store well. I bought 10 bags 2 years ago and they show no signs of damage yet. About to restock. I like beans but my wife is less enthused. The Boy Scout motto is to be believed.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 3, 2014 1:24:10 GMT
Each to his own. Somehow I am not worried about surviving. Sigurdur, If I resided in your part of the world I would not be worried about surviving either. The population density is much lower than in other parts of the country/world. You could survive much as the native populations did before you via hunting/gathering. In denser populations without your skill set it gets much, much more difficult.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 3, 2014 1:32:35 GMT
[quote.[/quote]Ten and twenty pound bags of dried pinto beans in commercially sealed bags at $0.69 per lb. at Sams Club also store well. I bought 10 bags 2 years ago and they show no signs of damage yet. About to restock. I like beans but my wife is less enthused. The Boy Scout motto is to be believed.[/quote]
It is more expensive but I prefer the 30 year protection of the can vs. the commercially sealed bags.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 3, 2014 1:46:15 GMT
View AttachmentI do not want to sound like a Doomsday Prepper but I have started taking steps to provide for my family in the case of the "extremely unlikely". This could be an extreme drop in worldwide temps as Astromet has been forecasting. It could be an cyber attack on our grid or banking system, a solar storm crashing the grid, an EMP or a viral outbreak. Pretty much anything that would disrupt our way of life. "Perfect Storms" may be one or more of these thrown at us due to something like abrupt climate change. I was urged in that direction by one of my buddies who is a Doomsday Prepper. I am not religious at all but part of the Church Of Latter Day Saints dogma is to be prepared. They buy, package and sell to the public dried canned food supplies that are advertised good for 30 years. I figure what the hell. I spend thousands a year on auto, fire, flood, windstorm and life insurance why not a few months worth of non perishable goods? So with the help of my "doomsday prepare" I started to stock up on a few dry goods that would help supplement my families needs in the case of the "Extremely Unlikely". I would encourage everyone to take the bare minimum steps to protect your family as well. Simply Google "Family Home Storage Longer Term Supply". I think the can of dried beans pictured set me back a couple of dollars. I purchased them at the Mormon center with no questions asked, no conversion attempts, nothing but smiles. One mans opinion... Interestingly, down here in the South they have been advertising home size freeze/driers for food. These things only get put into the market if there is a market. Perhaps more people are following your pragmatic approach than we realize.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 3, 2014 2:13:43 GMT
Ten and twenty pound bags of dried pinto beans in commercially sealed bags at $0.69 per lb. at Sams Club also store well. I bought 10 bags 2 years ago and they show no signs of damage yet. About to restock. I like beans but my wife is less enthused. The Boy Scout motto is to be believed.[/quote] It is more expensive but I prefer the 30 year protection of the can vs. the commercially sealed bags.[/quote] You are probably right for extreme long-term storage. Part of mine is an experiment. I'm putting several bags away for the 'long term'. I'll open one every other year (or so) and check its viability for longer term storage. Canned, vacuum packed items, supplemented with near-term, lower cost items which you rotate could also be viable, together with seeds (alfalfa and others) for sprouting into fresh greens. I am not Morman, but their Church's precept that every family should store enough to survive for a minimum of one year is, I think, a pretty sound idea.
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Post by magellan on Dec 3, 2014 2:57:30 GMT
People think it can't happen again, or here. Well, it did happen and life was very tough. Every picture I saw of my dad during the 1930's he had the same shirt on as a teenager. They had a farm, and with 11 kids they all worked to have food; no arguing about doing "chores". He told me he shoveled coal for 10 cents a ton, mowed the cemetery (no motorized lawn mowers then), doubled as a cook and lumberjack. They worked to survive, and never took a penny from Uncle FDR. My mother's father sold paint brushes, bread....anything. They knew what it meant to survive and do without. Even growing in the 1960's up we still ate frugally. Barbequed hot dogs cooked in some sort of "soup" (ketchup, onions, molasses and who knows what else), chipped beef on milk toast (probably remnants of the 30's), then splurge on Friday nights with "Banquet" dinners.....yum yum. Lots of beans w/bacon, oatmeal for breakfast, and always vegetables with a fruit. Sunday, now that was special. We always ate out, usually at 'Skippers Table', nowadays would be considered hospital food. My mother is now 93 and has no memory of those times, but while she as able, I gleaned as much as I could. Young folks don't appreciate their grandparents wealth of knowledge and experience; they're too busy buying the latest smart phone or game box.....gambling is becoming popular amongst 18+ "adults".
All I've done is talk about prepping; read a lot about it, talk about it, but basically have enough food for about a month and put off stocking up on the important things. Really not a good thing, although I do have a lot of stuff for use in infections etc. (GSE and Silver).
Don't think it can happen again? Don't be naive. It can and will, and I think it will be worse than the GP. They can only print so much money until the whole damn thing collapses. It is happening in steps, but is happening. Cold weather will only make it worse.
Think about this: the whole banking system is run by computers, 1's and 0's, very little actual cash. Hacking has increased greatly in the last couple years. What makes anyone think the system can't be shut down even without economic collapse. We all use our debit cards as if they'll work forever without problems. All it will take is a few days (probably just one) of your card not working and panic will ensue. We didn't even get the snow storms the south and east had, and the local grocery store was packed with people filling up their carts.
Glennkoks, where are you buying your food? Website? Locally? The dried meals sold anywhere I've checked are ridiculously priced.
Missouriboy, check out diatomaceous earth, pharmaceutical grade to store beans and other grains. It's what they put in Bisquick to keep the worms out, has other uses too.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 3, 2014 3:35:34 GMT
As a geographer, my spatial senses were aroused as the forum conversation turned to crop zones and their displacement southward (or debasement/elimination) by the coming cold, as forecast by Astromet and others. I immediately went in search of maps to focus my attention. Here are maps displaying global distributions of the big three (wheat, corn and soybeans). Two others (rye and barley) are distributed across the European ag area. The source site is: capra.eppo.org/maps.phpPractically all of these production areas in North America and Europe are north of 35 to 40 degrees north latitude.
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Post by AstroMet on Dec 3, 2014 4:39:08 GMT
People think it can't happen again, or here. Well, it did happen and life was very tough. Every picture I saw of my dad during the 1930's he had the same shirt on as a teenager. They had a farm, and with 11 kids they all worked to have food; no arguing about doing "chores". He told me he shoveled coal for 10 cents a ton, mowed the cemetery (no motorized lawn mowers then), doubled as a cook and lumberjack. They worked to survive, and never took a penny from Uncle FDR. My mother's father sold paint brushes, bread....anything. They knew what it meant to survive and do without. Even growing in the 1960's up we still ate frugally. Barbequed hot dogs cooked in some sort of "soup" (ketchup, onions, molasses and who knows what else), chipped beef on milk toast (probably remnants of the 30's), then splurge on Friday nights with "Banquet" dinners.....yum yum. Lots of beans w/bacon, oatmeal for breakfast, and always vegetables with a fruit. Sunday, now that was special. We always ate out, usually at 'Skippers Table', nowadays would be considered hospital food. My mother is now 93 and has no memory of those times, but while she as able, I gleaned as much as I could. Young folks don't appreciate their grandparents wealth of knowledge and experience; they're too busy buying the latest smart phone or game box.....gambling is becoming popular amongst 18+ "adults". All I've done is talk about prepping; read a lot about it, talk about it, but basically have enough food for about a month and put off stocking up on the important things. Really not a good thing, although I do have a lot of stuff for use in infections etc. (GSE and Silver). Don't think it can happen again? Don't be naive. It can and will, and I think it will be worse than the GP. They can only print so much money until the whole damn thing collapses. It is happening in steps, but is happening. Cold weather will only make it worse. Think about this: the whole banking system is run by computers, 1's and 0's, very little actual cash. Hacking has increased greatly in the last couple years. What makes anyone think the system can't be shut down even without economic collapse. We all use our debit cards as if they'll work forever without problems. All it will take is a few days (probably just one) of your card not working and panic will ensue. We didn't even get the snow storms the south and east had, and the local grocery store was packed with people filling up their carts. Glennkoks, where are you buying your food? Website? Locally? The dried meals sold anywhere I've checked are ridiculously priced. Missouriboy, check out diatomaceous earth, pharmaceutical grade to store beans and other grains. It's what they put in Bisquick to keep the worms out, has other uses too. The climate I see coming of a deep event of global cooling means one thing: Survival of the Fittest. That means to get FIT and it also means to not play around. Read what Glenn said and also Magellan and then get down to brass tacks. There is still time, but do know that the metropolis regions, large urban cities, as well as in the country and farm regions are simply NOT prepared for what is coming. The farmers have the best chances to make significant changes, but it will mean cost - but that cost will be WELL WORTH the effort with what is coming with global cooling and will save lives. I used to do plenty of cold weather camping, first as a boy scout, then as a grown man when I lived and worked in the Rockies and I tell everyone who will listen to wrap their minds around how to live, work and play in a colder, wetter climate and then you will be okay. The real problem will be with the majority of other people who do not know about the coming of global cooling; either those who do not believe it because it would mean that their AGW religion has to go, or those who are lazy and/or all of the above. That will not stop the Sun's hibernation cycle from coming. It will not stop global cooling from coming. According to my climate forecast, for those who already know it; prepare for a deeper drop than 1.5 Celsius. Prime for a deeper drop and you will do well. Psychological changes will be hard for people, but the physical changes will be just as demanding as the cold brings all kinds of problems; especially for the very old and the very young. Toughen up. Think about the climate and all the ramifications that go along with a much colder and wetter climate: food, health, disease, etc., and what it will take to make it through. If you use 2015-2020 well, then you will be ready for the first climate event of the global cooling era (a deep La Nina winter) that will test everyone. There will another ENSO in 2029-2030 (another powerful La Nina) but the intervening years of the 2020s will be challenging as well the peak cold climate in the decades of the 2030s and 2040s. This is not 'doom and gloom,' but reality, and in the near future many of you will witness just how far many people are from 'reality.' Count on it.
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