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Post by nautonnier on Dec 15, 2014 11:25:32 GMT
Ratty, its on Judith Curry's Site - and that version also has the pre-edit original (see my post from yesterday for link)
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Post by Ratty on Dec 15, 2014 11:53:07 GMT
Ratty, its on Judith Curry's Site - and that version also has the pre-edit original (see my post from yesterday for link) Got it, will read tomorrow, need my beauty sleep now. Thanks Naut.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 18, 2014 0:26:42 GMT
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Post by scpg02 on Dec 25, 2014 16:32:05 GMT
Calculations suggest that Global warming caused by the doubling of CO2 will be less than 0.6KGuest Blogger / 24 hours ago December 24, 2014 Guest essay by Saburo Nonogaki It has been said that the averaged earth surface temperature would be 255K if no green-house-effect(g-h-e) gases were contained in the atmosphere, and is 288? at present where the atmosphere contains g-h-e gases. The estimation of 255K is based on the earth’s long-term radiative equilibrium and Stefan-Boltzmann’s law which states that the total amount of radiative energy from a black body at absolute temperature T is proportional to T 4. As the earth’s long-term radiative equilibrium will be reached also in the case where the atmosphere contains g-h-e gases, we obtain the following equation under the condition that the long-term input energy from the sun remains constant. ~snip~ wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/24/calculations-suggest-that-global-warming-caused-by-the-doubling-of-co2-will-be-less-than-0-6k/
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Post by icefisher on Dec 29, 2014 4:02:29 GMT
Calculations suggest that Global warming caused by the doubling of CO2 will be less than 0.6KGuest Blogger / 24 hours ago December 24, 2014 Guest essay by Saburo Nonogaki It has been said that the averaged earth surface temperature would be 255K if no green-house-effect(g-h-e) gases were contained in the atmosphere, and is 288? at present where the atmosphere contains g-h-e gases. The estimation of 255K is based on the earth’s long-term radiative equilibrium and Stefan-Boltzmann’s law which states that the total amount of radiative energy from a black body at absolute temperature T is proportional to T 4. As the earth’s long-term radiative equilibrium will be reached also in the case where the atmosphere contains g-h-e gases, we obtain the following equation under the condition that the long-term input energy from the sun remains constant. ~snip~ wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/24/calculations-suggest-that-global-warming-caused-by-the-doubling-of-co2-will-be-less-than-0-6k/ The problem is CAGW propaganda machine will never acknowledge that they do not stick to Stefan Boltzmann equations to determine the average surface temperature would be 255K. If they did strictly follow Stefan Boltzmann equations they would come up with 279.5K as the expected temperature. They do that by assuming that the existence of an positive albedo value will reduce the equilibrium temperature of a blackbody. However, that is contrary to common Stefan Boltzmann equations that specifies no difference in equilibrium temperature for a reflective surface. What you get with a reflective surface is the same temperature as a blackbody while absorbing less radiation and emitting less radiation. There are some arguments for that namely that the radiation is reflected from the top of clouds a long distance from the surface.and the surface receives less radiation. But this heat is being placed in the atmosphere and it remains unaccounted for. This forms my view of how the system works that comes from designing residential heating systems. Here we have these morons wanting to count radiation absorbed up in the atmosphere by CO2 while ignoring the impact on the surface by absorption and warming up in the atmosphere by incoming solar. The reason they chose the version of the science they did is because its the only choice that supports CAGW.
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Post by scpg02 on Dec 29, 2014 5:13:55 GMT
Their goal is policy change through energy control. CO2 is the best vehicle for getting there. Excess CO2 in the 70s was causing catastrophic cooling. Oops, it started to warm. Well CO2 is a greenhouse gas so it's actually causing catastrophic heating. Another cause of either does not get them where they want to go.
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Post by andor on Dec 29, 2014 10:00:42 GMT
Actually so simple it means - Freezing is heat...hahahahahahaha Yes another money making hoax like Ozone depletion CFC'S Y2K remember this big scam? Carbon footprint AGW Peak Oil Fossil Oil
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Post by andor on Dec 29, 2014 10:08:07 GMT
Peak Oil / Fossil crude oil the latest scam but obviously not anymore! The Hydro-Carbons are actually generated deep in the earth's crust called A-Biotic oil or Oil Magma. This gets pushed up to "shallower" reservoirs in which drilling rigs drill into. The price of crude was synthetically controlled but it's obvious it has become out of hand now. Too much crude and for as long as mankind will be on earth. Russia has oilwells pumping for 50 years allready!!
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 29, 2014 12:35:09 GMT
Peak Oil / Fossil crude oil the latest scam but obviously not anymore! The Hydro-Carbons are actually generated deep in the earth's crust called A-Biotic oil or Oil Magma. This gets pushed up to "shallower" reservoirs in which drilling rigs drill into. The price of crude was synthetically controlled but it's obvious it has become out of hand now. Too much crude and for as long as mankind will be on earth. Russia has oilwells pumping for 50 years allready!! And if anyone argues about the abiotic generation of hydrocarbons and starts waffling about fossil forests etc... ask them to explain the methane lakes on Saturn's moon Titan.
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