|
Post by sigurdur on Jan 13, 2015 2:09:29 GMT
Thank you Sig! Some anonymously wet years in Georgia and the Carolinas during a part of the Little Ice Age with no direct indication of what was happening in the Midwest...maybe dry, maybe not. I'll expand my search. Missouriboy: Did you catch the other paper I referenced?
|
|
|
Post by neilhamp on Jan 17, 2015 2:10:48 GMT
UHA thinks 2014 is 3rd warmest - no mention by BBC RSS thinks 2014 is 6th. warmest - no mention by BBC BEST states "The global surface temperature average for 2014 was nominally the warmest since the global instrumental record began in 1850; however, within the margin of error, it is tied with 2005 and 2010 and so we can’t be certain it set a new record." - no mention by the BBC
Phew! At last! NOAA thinks 2014 is the hottest year ever! What's more! They are 48% certain! - BBC shouts it from the roof tops! BTW from NOAA's site "48% certainty" means "more unlikely than likely"
|
|
|
Post by cuttydyer on Jan 17, 2015 7:02:00 GMT
UHA thinks 2014 is 3rd warmest - no mention by BBC RSS thinks 2014 is 6th. warmest - no mention by BBC BEST states "The global surface temperature average for 2014 was nominally the warmest since the global instrumental record began in 1850; however, within the margin of error, it is tied with 2005 and 2010 and so we can’t be certain it set a new record." - no mention by the BBC Phew! At last! NOAA thinks 2014 is the hottest year ever! What's more! They are 48% certain! - BBC shouts it from the roof tops! BTW from NOAA's site "48% certainty" means "more unlikely than likely" Courtesy Mr Goddard: Data Tampering Courtesy NASA The graph below shows changes to NASA land-ocean temperature, since 2008. The years from 1910 to 1965 have been cooled, and subsequent years have been warmed. This creates a completely fake warming, and a record temperature with an error much larger than the claimed record delta. 2014 version : data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.txt 2008 version : data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.txtSpreadsheet :Fig.A2.20080124.xls Here's an example of the results of data tampering: ___________________________________________________________________________ The satellite data (which for now, doesn't receive the tampering make-over) : RSS Lower Trop. Global Mean: RSS Land Temp Global Mean: Link: www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss-land
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Jan 17, 2015 11:25:00 GMT
Cutty, The first link goes to data, the second is truncated and ends up at data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/Too difficult for me .... can you help?
|
|
|
Post by graywolf on Jan 17, 2015 12:14:46 GMT
Just thought I'd pop in to see how you were all coping? denial is the first stage i seem to recall. I think we're up for Anger next ( before the pleading begins) but firsts you have to 'accept' and move on from this 'denial'.........
LOL, the worst of it is you Guys are obviously hell bent of unleashing big Govt./Nanny state on us a quickly as possible? Should we continue on as we are we will hit climate catastrophes and Govt will step in ( I seem to recall the national Guard appearing hot on the heels of Katrina?) whilst you are all still hopping around complaining about data manipulation and death wish greenies......... you just couldn't make it up could you?
|
|
|
Post by cuttydyer on Jan 17, 2015 12:33:23 GMT
you just couldn't make it up could you? errr, it appears you can... : Care to comment GW?
|
|
|
Post by flyfisher7 on Jan 17, 2015 14:19:00 GMT
UHA thinks 2014 is 3rd warmest - no mention by BBC RSS thinks 2014 is 6th. warmest - no mention by BBC BEST states "The global surface temperature average for 2014 was nominally the warmest since the global instrumental record began in 1850; however, within the margin of error, it is tied with 2005 and 2010 and so we can’t be certain it set a new record." - no mention by the BBC Phew! At last! NOAA thinks 2014 is the hottest year ever! What's more! They are 48% certain! - BBC shouts it from the roof tops! BTW from NOAA's site "48% certainty" means "more unlikely than likely" Do you happen to have a link you can paste from NOAA's site with the 48% certainty?
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Jan 17, 2015 16:08:08 GMT
I am sick in bed. To answer grey wolf requires a computer
|
|
|
Post by scpg02 on Jan 17, 2015 16:18:22 GMT
I am sick in bed. To answer grey wolf requires a computer sorry to hear that. get well soon.
|
|
|
Post by neilhamp on Jan 17, 2015 16:27:44 GMT
Flyfisher I have misquoted them the actual press release states:- Taking into account the uncertainty and assuming all years (1880-2014) in the time series are independent, the chance of 2014 being Warmest year on record: 48.0% www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/13/supplemental/page-1Later on they state probability range of 33.3% - 50% means "more unlikely than likely"
|
|
|
Post by cuttydyer on Jan 17, 2015 16:29:00 GMT
I am sick in bed. To answer grey wolf requires a computer sorry to hear that. get well soon. 2nd that - get well soon Sig.
|
|
zaphod
Level 3 Rank
Posts: 210
|
Post by zaphod on Jan 17, 2015 18:32:37 GMT
sorry to hear that. get well soon. 2nd that - get well soon Sig. GET WELL SOON SIG! Don't read anything too contentious until you are better.
|
|
|
Post by flyfisher7 on Jan 17, 2015 18:48:48 GMT
Flyfisher I have misquoted them the actual press release states:- Taking into account the uncertainty and assuming all years (1880-2014) in the time series are independent, the chance of 2014 being Warmest year on record: 48.0% www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/13/supplemental/page-1Later on they state probability range of 33.3% - 50% means "more unlikely than likely" Thanks for that.
|
|
|
Post by shaggy on Jan 18, 2015 6:33:05 GMT
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jan 18, 2015 15:50:38 GMT
There is a more precise dissection of the NASA/NOAA 'deception' by Bob Tisdale in WUWT: " On the Biases Caused by Omissions in the 2014 NOAA State of the Climate Report" Bob Tisdale in identifying 3 major 'Biases by Omission' is more charitable than I am - I would call this 'lying by omission'. The kind of thing that was the reason 'tell the whole truth' was added to the oath for witnesses. It would appear that they so wanted to be able to give the politicians 'the warmest year ever' that they were prepared to go to any lengths to massage the data. You can bet that this 'warmest year ever' will be regurgitated by politicians with none of the qualifications omitted from the press releases. Steven Goddard is as usual a little more blunt: " How Gavin Cheated To Create The Required Talking Point" " Gavin quietly says that there is a 62% chance that 2014 was not the warmest year on record, but he had to give his boss a talking point for the State of the Union address this week. So Gavin simply fabricated warm temperatures across huge areas like Greenland, where he had no actual thermometer data in December." Trust a used car salesmen more than NASA 'scientists': you can get your money back from a used car salesman.
|
|