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Post by sigurdur on Feb 24, 2015 5:35:54 GMT
I wish that was true, but the middle class isn't done being fleeced. There are a few pennies left.
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Post by glennkoks on Feb 24, 2015 14:52:57 GMT
UK....just keep sending us money.....we will keep growing trees.......for ya..... Well that's the problem. DRAX power station was built on top of large coal deposits and was due to be closed. Due to the EU Large Combustion Plants Directive which is to prevent 'acid rain' which has been falsified as a hypothesis (but the bureaucrats just carry on banning coal powered generating plants anyway.) To avoid closure as UK is close to the edge in energy production, DRAX is being converted to run on 'sustainable' renewable fuel - wood chips. However, the energy density of wood chips is considerably less than coal. So huge as in Lots^ 99 amounts of wood chips are required. UK would deplete all its forests in a few months. So UK will now be officially depleting the forests of the USA. Particle board and similar building materials will cease to be available at reasonable cost as all off cuts chips and particles of wood will be being burned in UK. To get there of course the wood chips have to be shipped by truck to East coast ports then carried by ship to UK. This negates any savings in emissions - but the bureaucrats assessing power plant emissions are in a different group to those assessing ship emissions. You literally could not make up a scenario as mind numbingly stupid - that take dedicated European bureaucrats and politicians. The answer to all the UK's power generation problems has been answered from a natural resource just south of San Antonio and it's not oil. A Czech company is harvesting mesquite trees from south Texas for import into Europe to use as fuel. The mesquite is hard as hell, burns very hot, is cleaner than coal and it's an invasive species. Problem solved: fuelfix.com/blog/2013/04/28/europe-energy-found-in-corpus/
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 24, 2015 15:09:56 GMT
Ya know, in this brave new world, one has to change their way of thinking. Instead of being cost efficient, one has to figure out how to work the Green.......
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Post by glennkoks on Feb 24, 2015 15:14:36 GMT
Ya know, in this brave new world, one has to change their way of thinking. Instead of being cost efficient, one has to figure out how to work the Green....... Because I'm sure it is a lot more "green" to chop mesquite trees down in Texas, ship all the way to Europe and then burn in power plants that are basically built directly on top of coal deposits.
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Post by walnut on Feb 24, 2015 15:24:14 GMT
how about red cedars in Oklahoma. There are oceans of them and they really strip out the moisture and take over the land. I don't know what the btus are. The trees have a lot of oil and burn hot but are mostly twigs and foliage. At least the steamer ships could burn the stuff to get across the ocean and sell whats left when they get there.
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Post by walnut on Feb 24, 2015 15:34:35 GMT
Ya know, in this brave new world, one has to change their way of thinking. Instead of being cost efficient, one has to figure out how to work the Green....... Because I'm sure it is a lot more "green" to chop mesquite trees down in Texas, ship all the way to Europe and then burn in power plants that are basically built directly on top of coal deposits. It will be green sounding, so it will get a US subsidy to get it going.
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Post by glennkoks on Feb 24, 2015 15:45:11 GMT
Because I'm sure it is a lot more "green" to chop mesquite trees down in Texas, ship all the way to Europe and then burn in power plants that are basically built directly on top of coal deposits. It will be green sounding, so it will get a US subsidy to get it going. Walnut, You can't get any more "green sounding" than GreenHeart Energy!
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Post by walnut on Feb 24, 2015 17:37:19 GMT
Back to the topic, waiting for an ice age is much worse than watching paint dry. Human brains are not calibrated to mark time that slowly. So the public will not stay with us any better than they stayed with the warmists haha
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Post by acidohm on Feb 24, 2015 21:03:26 GMT
Have to admit, an ice age is not what i'm worried about....-2 and 2" of snow puts this country close to the collapse of society as we know it!
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 24, 2015 21:27:45 GMT
I met a guy a week or two ago in Oklahoma who is an executive for a wind power start-up company. He was a nice guy. But I was thinking *would you have willing investors or a fat paycheck without government subsidies* I don't think so. Well he is not really an executive for a 'wind power start-up' he is an executive for a subsidy farm, the power created is a by-product that they can sell. To catch the subsidies they either mark the land with wind generators or solar cells. As soon as the subsidies are all used up the company will declare bankruptcy and fold. Then the company will Start-up somewhere else under a different name to farm some fresh subsidies. Look at Spain, government subsidies are being cut back and so there are fewer subsidy farms.
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Post by nonentropic on Feb 24, 2015 22:57:10 GMT
Are wind farms in Spain being allowed to fall into disrepair, the wholesale value of Electricity often is less than the maintenance and running cost. Those reinstatement funds will be starting to look a bit under pressure if no subsidies resume.
"Peak Wind in our lifetime"
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Post by Ratty on Feb 24, 2015 23:17:43 GMT
"You literally could not make up a scenario as mind numbingly stupid - that take dedicated European bureaucrats and politicians. "
I might be able to use that somewhere ... thanks Naut.
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