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Post by acidohm on Apr 8, 2016 21:43:17 GMT
Very good point Birder, December's warmth allowed many to point out the budding daffodils etc as evidence of warming climate. I'm guessing your observation will go Un - noticed by the media.....who will still be crying for the poor polar bear!! Btw...not looking good this summer, the same forecasters who did excellent job predicting back loaded uk winter (ie warm then cold), currently saying this summer average to below average
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 9, 2016 15:11:21 GMT
Theo is not alone in forecasting cold, even NASA has forecast cold for the next few decades. There is an apparent attempt to massage the figures to hide cooling from the sheeple. But eventually the change in the weather will be apparent to even the most ardent MTV watcher. What will be interesting is watching to see who breaks ranks first. The climate 'scientists' will find it more and more difficult to continue shroud waving about cataclysmic heat and hottest years ever. The last few left will lose everything they thought they were working for. The 'climate scientist dilemma' rather like the 'prisoners' dilemma' a real life game theory study.
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Post by walnut on Apr 9, 2016 19:03:12 GMT
Yes, please a link, I want to believe that but would like to see it haha
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 9, 2016 23:48:11 GMT
2016 growing season. Early demise brought on by early freeze.
Sigurdur's forecast.
Don't forget u read it here.
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 10, 2016 11:02:13 GMT
Theo is not alone in forecasting cold, even NASA has forecast cold for the next few decades. There is an apparent attempt to massage the figures to hide cooling from the sheeple. But eventually the change in the weather will be apparent to even the most ardent MTV watcher. What will be interesting is watching to see who breaks ranks first. The climate 'scientists' will find it more and more difficult to continue shroud waving about cataclysmic heat and hottest years ever. The last few left will lose everything they thought they were working for. The 'climate scientist dilemma' rather like the 'prisoners' dilemma' a real life game theory study. "Theo is not alone in forecasting cold, even NASA has forecast cold for the next few decades." Really? Can you please provide a reference better a link where NASA predicts the planet will cool. It was actually on a NASA site but I am getting "Not Found" - I will continue looking - the statement was that the expectation was that the next 30 years or so would see stable or lower temperatures. I should start saving text not links. One thing that did come up repeatedly in the searches that had NASA and Cooling in them, was the claim at the end of last year apparently in Nature Climate Change was that NASA are saying that fossil fuel 'pollutants' cause cooling: "The new calculations reveal their complexity, said Kate Marvel, a climatologist at GISS and the paper’s lead author. “Take sulfate aerosols, which are created from burning fossil fuels and contribute to atmospheric cooling,” she said. “They are more or less confined to the northern hemisphere, where most of us live and emit pollution. There’s more land in the northern hemisphere, and land reacts quicker than the ocean does to these atmospheric changes.”
Because earlier studies do not account for what amounts to a net cooling effect for parts of the northern hemisphere, predictions for TCR and ECS have been lower than they should be. This means that Earth's climate sensitivity to carbon dioxide—or atmospheric carbon dioxide’s capacity to affect temperature change—has been underestimated, according to the study. The result dovetails with a GISS study published last year that puts the TCR value at 3.0°F (1.7° C); the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which draws its TCR estimate from earlier research, places the estimate at 1.8°F (1.0°C).
“If you’ve got a systematic underestimate of what the greenhouse gas-driven change would be, then you’re systematically underestimating what’s going to happen in the future when greenhouse gases are by far the dominant climate driver,” Schmidt said."www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/earths-recent-history-key-to-predicting-global-temperatures So they are saying if it does get cold we will still blame fossil fuels and by the way - CO2 is more dangerous than we thought.
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Post by acidohm on Apr 10, 2016 11:38:37 GMT
From what I can see, all temp variations are due to us, but as yet nothing has happened outside of natural variability. ..
Seems legit...
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Post by Ratty on Apr 10, 2016 11:40:17 GMT
Yes, please a link, I want to believe that but would like to see it haha Sure I read something from NASA, along those lines, relatively recently.
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Post by glennkoks on Apr 12, 2016 4:16:00 GMT
2016 growing season. Early demise brought on by early freeze. Sigurdur's forecast. Don't forget u read it here. I take long term forecasts from just about everybody with a grain of salt. That includes all kind of predictions from sports, economics to weather. But when a farmer or a commercial fisherman gives a forecast my ears perk up and I listen. It's one thing to leave the comfort of your warm home, get into your cozy automobile, go to work and spend the day pouring over the latest long term forecasts on your PC. It is an entire different ballgame to get out in the weather everyday on your tractor or in your boat. When you have "skin in the game" like people who work the land or seas. The people who do have a keen eye and a very good long term memory. We will see how Sigurdur's forecast turns out...
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 12, 2016 12:54:19 GMT
Very good point Birder, December's warmth allowed many to point out the budding daffodils etc as evidence of warming climate. I'm guessing your observation will go Un - noticed by the media.....who will still be crying for the poor polar bear!! Btw...not looking good this summer, the same forecasters who did excellent job predicting back loaded uk winter (ie warm then cold), currently saying this summer average to below average Have to agree that you are looking 'out of luck'. SST anomalies for the N Atlantic look like they are repeating the 2015 build up (or should I say cool down) only, if anything, they look to be ahead of 2015 by a few weeks. The cold anomalies are already butting up to Ireland and Spain. That didn't happen till early May last year. If they stay, well ...... weather.unisys.com/surface/sfc_daily.php?plot=ssa&inv=0&t=cur
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Post by acidohm on Apr 12, 2016 14:39:17 GMT
Agree Mboy, an interesting occurrence is how many different weather reporters comment on increased likelihood of blocking patterns occurring as a result of reduced solar activity (which has dropped of a precipice of late!!)
However NO ONE has yet, that I've seen, offered any explanation for the cold Atlantic seas. I really don't think the mechanics are very well understood!
(Well there's the 'Greenland is melting' crowd......but they are so very wrong I reckon!)
The similar cold patch in N pacific also seems to be gaining intensity??
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Post by Ratty on Apr 12, 2016 23:05:59 GMT
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Post by AstroMet on Apr 14, 2016 23:19:17 GMT
Agree Mboy, an interesting occurrence is how many different weather reporters comment on increased likelihood of blocking patterns occurring as a result of reduced solar activity (which has dropped of a precipice of late!!) However NO ONE has yet, that I've seen, offered any explanation for the cold Atlantic seas. I really don't think the mechanics are very well understood! (Well there's the 'Greenland is melting' crowd......but they are so very wrong I reckon!) The similar cold patch in N pacific also seems to be gaining intensity?? Acidohm, so-called' cold blob off the coasts of Newfoundland, near Iceland and Greenland is caused by the Sun, which amounts to the anomalous region of colder-than-normal sea-surface temperatures there. We are nearing the Sun's quiescent phase and the arrival of global cooling in late 2017. This region which is known as the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is impacted, but you will hear those pushing 'man-made global warming' claim that it is from the melting Arctic, which always melts and refreezes due to natural variations of the Sun and the Earth's seasons. However, the 'cold blob' has been sitting there for several years, and it yet another sign of the emergence of global cooling as our climate is in transition. The colder waters is also the reason why there hasn't been much of a hurricane season since 2010. The meridional overturning circulation or AMOC — is driven by the Sun. As the Sun alters its magnetic resonance according to planetary modulation of Jupiter and Saturn relative to the barycenter you will see differences in ocean temperature and salinity like what is being witnessed in the North Atlantic. You will notice in the Accuweather graphic just below that there is conjecture that the 'cold blob' is due to 'ice melt' in the Arctic, but that will be found not to be the case. Of course, the evil Michael Mann of Climategate is pushing this to include in his lies of 'man-made global warming.' The Sun's activity has been altering the dynamics of the Atlantic ocean currents, which includes the Gulf Stream. It will grow, and impact the climate of the eastern coasts of Canada, the United States, as well as the weather over Iceland. What is happening in the North Atlantic is part of the overall Thermohaline Circulation worldwide, which is the conveyor belt current system that drives the Earth's ocean circulation. The madness of the propaganda pushers of 'man-made global warming,' who forecasted an increase in hurricanes has been stifled by the colder waters because they want to somehow blame it on 'human-caused activities,' which is their stupid answer for everything that has to do with the Earth's climate. But there is no such thing as 'man-made global warming.' It does not exist except as a 'man-made ideology' that has nothing to do with the Earth's climate in reality. If you monitor the Atlantic Ocean currents and circulation, say at 26.5 degrees North Latitude, which is on a west-to-east line that goes through Florida then you will have noticed that there's been a gradual, but steady decline in the circulation over 10 years. When I was measuring the ENSO of 2009-2011 I forecasted what I noticed was that circulation of the ocean had weakened and since researchers say that it has reduced to about 20 percent less heat being circulated to the North Atlantic over the last 10 years overall. Because of the decline in circulation, the waters have cooled and the slowdown monitored back in 2009-2010 had sea levels rising about 4 inches along the American east coast. The circulation is slowing down and is yet another sign of the colder and wetter climate that is part and parcel of the Sun's nearing Grand Minimum and global cooling on Earth. A blank Sun means a colder climate on Earth: It is well known in astrometeorology that over the last 4,000 years, there is a direct correlation of solar activity and sea surface temperatures - especially in the North Atlantic. Our Sun is a variable star, therefore, our planet has a variable climate and that means 'climate change' is natural - not 'man-made,' which is literally impossible. The Earth's oceans and our planetary atmosphere are variable and are always in constant motion. Our climate is directly powered by the Sun and modulated by the planets whose interactions play the primary role that fuel the Earth's climate and resulting weather. Anyway, the cold anomalous 'blob' in the waters of the North Atlantic will continue to grow as the Sun winds down from solar cycle #24 and enters its quiescent phase in solar cycle #25.
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Post by glennkoks on Apr 15, 2016 15:59:36 GMT
It will be interesting to see how the world manages to feed 7.4 Billion people if the climate in the NH becomes colder and wetter leading to shortened and disrupted growing seasons. www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 15, 2016 18:02:53 GMT
It will be interesting to see how the world manages to feed 7.4 Billion people if the climate in the NH becomes colder and wetter leading to shortened and disrupted growing seasons. www.worldometers.info/world-population/Stocks of food are so large today that even with a disaster someplace, it will take some time to eat through them.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 24, 2017 18:24:13 GMT
It is the dreaded global warming cold "For thousands of years, parts of northwest Europe have enjoyed a climate about 5C warmer than many other regions on the same latitude. But new scientific analysis suggests that that could change much sooner and much faster than thought possible.
Climatologists who have looked again at the possibility of major climate change in and around the Atlantic Ocean, a persistent puzzle to researchers, now say there is an almost 50% chance that a key area of the North Atlantic could cool suddenly and rapidly, within the space of a decade, before the end of this century."www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/24/drastic-cooling-north-atlantic-beyond-worst-fears-scientists-warnIf you link this to the reports in WUWT that temperature drops have actually been adjusted to show warming... perhaps we are already getting colder but the priests of AGW in one area are claiming it is hotter than EVAH!! while others are claiming all that heat is making it cold. It is a pity that lack of ethics and dissembling as an art form are the qualifications for anyone calling themselves a climate 'scientist'
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