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Post by missouriboy on Jan 9, 2018 4:31:30 GMT
Ratty You must appreciate the weather Gods are on our side .............. 5 degC cooler would be really good. I expect the Poms thought so - on Sunday, they were playing cricket [fielding] in Sydney at 50+ sun temps. Nearby Penrith got to 47.3 degC [in the shade. Apparently then hottest place on the planet.] In the afternoon on Monday, a nice cool change arrived ............In time to witness a 4-0 Oz win [Including 3 innings defeats of England] Apologies to N Americans who don't understand our wonderful game. Careful Doug. If they start to understand Cricket, they might want us to try to understand Gridiron. If it had been that hot in 1805 at the Battle of Trafalgar, y'all might be speaking French.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 9, 2018 5:42:45 GMT
Careful Doug. If they start to understand Cricket, they might want us to try to understand Gridiron. If it had been that hot in 1805 at the Battle of Trafalgar, y'all might be speaking French. It was closer than you think Missouri: The mystery of the La Pérouse expedition survivors: wrecked in Torres Strait?La Pérouse also had orders to investigate the new British colony in Australia. He arrived off Botany Bay, New South Wales in January 1788 to see Arthur Philip’s First Fleet at anchor, and so witnessed the beginning of European settlement of the continent. For six weeks the French camped on the northern shores of the Bay: the area now home to the south-eastern Sydney suburb bearing his name.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 9, 2018 8:30:52 GMT
If it had been that hot in 1805 at the Battle of Trafalgar, y'all might be speaking French. It was closer than you think Missouri: The mystery of the La Pérouse expedition survivors: wrecked in Torres Strait?La Pérouse also had orders to investigate the new British colony in Australia. He arrived off Botany Bay, New South Wales in January 1788 to see Arthur Philip’s First Fleet at anchor, and so witnessed the beginning of European settlement of the continent. For six weeks the French camped on the northern shores of the Bay: the area now home to the south-eastern Sydney suburb bearing his name.Dear King Louie must of had a shortage of "exportables" that year ... although given what happened next, it might have been a good idea.
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 9, 2018 11:17:47 GMT
It was closer than you think Missouri: The mystery of the La Pérouse expedition survivors: wrecked in Torres Strait?La Pérouse also had orders to investigate the new British colony in Australia. He arrived off Botany Bay, New South Wales in January 1788 to see Arthur Philip’s First Fleet at anchor, and so witnessed the beginning of European settlement of the continent. For six weeks the French camped on the northern shores of the Bay: the area now home to the south-eastern Sydney suburb bearing his name.Dear King Louie must of had a shortage of "exportables" that year ... although given what happened next, it might have been a good idea. King Louie should have gotten on a boat and taken an extended vacation from the “trappings of the monarchy” while he still had his head.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 9, 2018 11:57:31 GMT
Dear King Louie must of had a shortage of "exportables" that year ... although given what happened next, it might have been a good idea. King Louie should have gotten on a boat and taken an extended vacation from the “trappings of the monarchy” while he still had his head. Well King Louie was a little busy on the other side of the world, supporting the War of Independence of the American colonies. The last 30 years of the 1700's were a time of considerable upheaval. I have a feeling we are entering a similar period now.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 9, 2018 12:20:48 GMT
King Louie should have gotten on a boat and taken an extended vacation from the “trappings of the monarchy” while he still had his head. Well King Louie was a little busy on the other side of the world, supporting the War of Independence of the American colonies. The last 30 years of the 1700's were a time of considerable upheaval. I have a feeling we are entering a similar period now. I've been around for a while and cannot remember a time without being in considerable upheaval, the normal human condition.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 9, 2018 21:14:54 GMT
Well King Louie was a little busy on the other side of the world, supporting the War of Independence of the American colonies. The last 30 years of the 1700's were a time of considerable upheaval. I have a feeling we are entering a similar period now. I've been around for a while and cannot remember a time without being in considerable upheaval, the normal human condition. While I agree with you in general, there may also be cycles in "the human condition" which we see play out through history ... for whatever reason.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 9, 2018 22:57:14 GMT
I've been around for a while and cannot remember a time without being in considerable upheaval, the normal human condition. While I agree with you in general, there may also be cycles in "the human condition" which we see play out through history ... for whatever reason. There is a pretty good correlation between times of considerable upheaval and a hungry populace brought on by abrupt climate change. David at Adapt 2030 on YouTube is constantly highlighting a strong correlation between solar minimums and the collapse of Chinese Dynasties.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 9, 2018 23:15:40 GMT
While I agree with you in general, there may also be cycles in "the human condition" which we see play out through history ... for whatever reason. There is a pretty good correlation between times of considerable upheaval and a hungry populace brought on by abrupt climate change. David at Adapt 2030 on YouTube is constantly highlighting a strong correlation between solar minimums and the collapse of Chinese Dynasties.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 10, 2018 3:51:24 GMT
There is a pretty good correlation between times of considerable upheaval and a hungry populace brought on by abrupt climate change. David at Adapt 2030 on YouTube is constantly highlighting a strong correlation between solar minimums and the collapse of Chinese Dynasties. Either that distribution has a decidedly downward slant or my eye glasses once belonged to a climate scientist.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 10, 2018 12:38:55 GMT
It kind of looks like a hockey stick at the end…
But in all fairness the Shang Dynasty, Romans and Vikings did not have John Deer tractors, ammonium nitrate or genetically modified crops to help them grow food during a solar minimum. Of course there were not 7.4 billion hungry mouths to feed when the Gaul's sacked Rome either. I am no farmer but it will be interesting to see if modern agricultural advances can mitigate any loss in production caused by a less active sun.
Anybody who has driven across America's heartland has to realize the incredible potential to grow food. Even if the growing areas shift a few hundred miles south due to climate change.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 10, 2018 13:00:54 GMT
Either that distribution has a decidedly downward slant or my eye glasses once belonged to a climate scientist. It's actually worse than we thought:
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 10, 2018 14:56:42 GMT
It kind of looks like a hockey stick at the end… But in all fairness the Shang Dynasty, Romans and Vikings did not have John Deer tractors, ammonium nitrate or genetically modified crops to help them grow food during a solar minimum. Of course there were not 7.4 billion hungry mouths to feed when the Gaul's sacked Rome either. I am no farmer but it will be interesting to see if modern agricultural advances can mitigate any loss in production caused by a less active sun. Anybody who has driven across America's heartland has to realize the incredible potential to grow food. Even if the growing areas shift a few hundred miles south due to climate change. Very true although reimposing a productive agricultural infrastructure on abandoned or previously unproductive land could take some time. Mother Nature versus Father Business. May the grain belts poleward of 40 N and S keep producing.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 11, 2018 11:28:59 GMT
It kind of looks like a hockey stick at the end… But in all fairness the Shang Dynasty, Romans and Vikings did not have John Deer tractors, ammonium nitrate or genetically modified crops to help them grow food during a solar minimum. Of course there were not 7.4 billion hungry mouths to feed when the Gaul's sacked Rome either. I am no farmer but it will be interesting to see if modern agricultural advances can mitigate any loss in production caused by a less active sun. Anybody who has driven across America's heartland has to realize the incredible potential to grow food. Even if the growing areas shift a few hundred miles south due to climate change. If you look at the weather reports for 1315AD and the start of 'The Great Famine' I doubt even modern machinery, chemicals and genetic engineering could cope. Continual flooding rains from spring to fall followed by long hard freeze winters with ground frozen to several feet deep. If Mother Nature doesn't want you to have crops - you don't get them.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 11, 2018 22:34:11 GMT
It kind of looks like a hockey stick at the end… But in all fairness the Shang Dynasty, Romans and Vikings did not have John Deer tractors, ammonium nitrate or genetically modified crops to help them grow food during a solar minimum. Of course there were not 7.4 billion hungry mouths to feed when the Gaul's sacked Rome either. I am no farmer but it will be interesting to see if modern agricultural advances can mitigate any loss in production caused by a less active sun. Anybody who has driven across America's heartland has to realize the incredible potential to grow food. Even if the growing areas shift a few hundred miles south due to climate change. If you look at the weather reports for 1315AD and the start of 'The Great Famine' I doubt even modern machinery, chemicals and genetic engineering could cope. Continual flooding rains from spring to fall followed by long hard freeze winters with ground frozen to several feet deep. If Mother Nature doesn't want you to have crops - you don't get them. Very true, but the worldwide economy and crops are much more spread out than they were in 1315. Continual rains, hard winters and shortened growing seasons in one part of the world can be somewhat mitigated by better weather in another part of the world. However the vast majority of the agriculture is in the northern hemisphere.
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