|
Post by nautonnier on Jan 12, 2018 12:08:11 GMT
With the vast majority of the land area and population
|
|
|
Post by nonentropic on Jan 13, 2018 1:18:33 GMT
But the vast majority of land is not utilized currently. (I think cultivated land is 5% of planet earth) The production from Brazilian farms is amazing and reducing the temperature by a degree or two will have no impact.
The market will fill in the the gap by stimulating production and controlling such things as waste which is currently close to 50%.
The diabetes type 2 drug companies will take a big hit as an aside.
Canada would be a different type of country and Trump will be build a wall to keep them out, but that would be a long wall.
I don't think this is a big issue actually but all countries should have a plan for every potential outcome.
|
|
|
Post by missouriboy on Jan 13, 2018 3:12:47 GMT
But the vast majority of land is not utilized currently. (I think cultivated land is 5% of planet earth) The production from Brazilian farms is amazing and reducing the temperature by a degree or two will have no impact. The market will fill in the the gap by stimulating production and controlling such things as waste which is currently close to 50%. The diabetes type 2 drug companies will take a big hit as an aside. Canada would be a different type of country and Trump will be build a wall to keep them out, but that would be a long wall.
I don't think this is a big issue actually but all countries should have a plan for every potential outcome. Canadians would be a productive, welcome addition to our society ... with the possible exception of the French.
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Jan 13, 2018 5:40:14 GMT
But the vast majority of land is not utilized currently. (I think cultivated land is 5% of planet earth) The production from Brazilian farms is amazing and reducing the temperature by a degree or two will have no impact. The market will fill in the the gap by stimulating production and controlling such things as waste which is currently close to 50%. The diabetes type 2 drug companies will take a big hit as an aside. Canada would be a different type of country and Trump will be build a wall to keep them out, but that would be a long wall. I don't think this is a big issue actually but all countries should have a plan for every potential outcome. Hear, hear !! I wonder if any country is making plans for a drop in temps ?
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jan 13, 2018 10:27:32 GMT
But the vast majority of land is not utilized currently. (I think cultivated land is 5% of planet earth) The production from Brazilian farms is amazing and reducing the temperature by a degree or two will have no impact. The market will fill in the the gap by stimulating production and controlling such things as waste which is currently close to 50%. The diabetes type 2 drug companies will take a big hit as an aside. Canada would be a different type of country and Trump will be build a wall to keep them out, but that would be a long wall. I don't think this is a big issue actually but all countries should have a plan for every potential outcome. Hear, hear !! I wonder if any country is making plans for a drop in temps ? I think most countries are doing precisely the opposite moving to unreliables as power generation and making plans for global warming and reducing CO2 emissions. The notable exceptions to this are Russia and even more so China. I believe that China is convinced that there is no likelihood of catastrophic warming and it will become apparent by 2030 during which time they have agreed to keep producing fossil fuel power plants at a phenomenal rate - up to 3 a month. As Maurice Strong 'retired' to China, I have a suspicion that the entire scam may be set up by them to achieve world dominance - which they are doing. Using the useful green idiots as their willing assistants.
|
|
|
Post by nonentropic on Jan 13, 2018 19:58:55 GMT
Yes the Chinese are building resilience into their economy while encouraging us to reduce our resilience. Win win I think its called.
The Chinese as a country have never in history been "colonial" in the sense of the UK or any major western power in the last 300 years but they have been put to the sword by these same countries and that is their focus, they do not intend to allow that to happen again.
The CAGW play generated by the left west has allowed a massive transfer of wealth from us to them. Just look at solar panels which from a CO2 perspective are a joke. To see how stupid this all is drive in Wales and look at the solar panels the region has a solar opportunity barely 35% of a good solar region. What is the term "Vanity Signaling".
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Jan 13, 2018 20:12:30 GMT
|
|
|
Post by missouriboy on Jan 13, 2018 20:46:37 GMT
We or our children will find out!
|
|
|
Post by blustnmtn on Jan 13, 2018 22:10:14 GMT
We or our children will find out! Exactly. As they say...”We’ll see”.
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jan 14, 2018 14:02:25 GMT
Yes it could. I think there are simple minds who argue _this_ causes warming/cooling _that_ does not. As if there were only one cause reducing energy in the Earth system. We are seeing several things happen at the same time. The Earth obliquity is changing and this has an effect on the share of solar radiation reaching the earth see: "This shows that the energy (irradiance) available at any given latitude 4.i on the Earth (on the assumption of a perfectly transparent atmosphere) is a single-valued function of the total solar irradiance, S, the semimajor axis, a, of the Earth orbit about the Sun, its eccentricity e, its obliquity e, and the longitude of the perihelion measured from the moving spring equinox, w. There fore it appears that the irradiance varies only accord ing to three astronomical parameters, i.e., the eccentricity (e), the climatic precession (e sin ¿b) and the obliquity (e). Moreover, climatic precession and eccentricity on one side, and obliquity on the other side, appear in two distinct factors in the formulation for the irradiance. Each of these factors has a physical meaning. The distance factor (p = r/a) depends on the precession and eccentricity, and the inclination factor (cos z) is solely a function of the obliquity." curry.eas.gatech.edu/Courses/5225/ency/Chapter10/Ency_Atmos/Ice_age.pdfThen the Sun has entered a 'quiet phase' as it approaches SC24/SC25 minimum. This seems to have both reduced the amount of TSI but importantly has changed the share of TSI of each frequency of sunlight and there seems to be a bias toward the longer wavelengths. So the current phase the earth gets more solar radiation in the Southern Hemisphere summer than the Northern Hemisphere summer. There is less land in the Southern Hemisphere and it takes short wavelengths to heat the Southern oceans. So the Earth system will actually be absorbing less heat. Land areas will still heat up but they radiate the heat away rapidly and that outgoing radiation increases to the fourth power with increased temperature; it is the oceans that are important in the overall Earth system heat content. Clouds (The Iris of the Earth) have a considerable impact on the amount of energy reaching the surface. They can form for many reasons if Svensmark's galactic cosmic rays hypothesis is even only partially correct that could have a significant impact on the energy input to the system. The Ocean oscillations appear to be moving to cold phases together. It may be that - the various parameters that affect the input of energy into the system are all moving to cold
- The Sun is moving to a state where less energy and longer wavelength energy is being radiated
- The Oceans are moving to a cooler phase AMO and PDO
Each of these areas may not be sufficient on their own to create notable cooling, but who knows what the effect will be of all of them going into concurrent cold modes.
|
|
|
Post by acidohm on Jan 14, 2018 17:27:03 GMT
Very informative post...thanks Naut!
|
|
|
Post by nonentropic on Jan 14, 2018 20:01:07 GMT
Naut I pickup on the iris effect, it is in my mind the single biggest driver of moderation and temperature buffering.
You see it virtually undiscussed in the CAGW story and for obvious reasons.
The iris controls the flow of energy into the earths weather system where tropical oceans are and the poles very specifically the arctic kick the energy out powerfully accelerated by periods of low ice. The key to this is the energy input at the pole is trivial and flux into the tropics is massive. if you need proof think about weather its the transport system for said energy.
Personally I don't think we are going to a cold spell just a slide back to the 70's temperatures with the advantage of more CO2 and some remaining GM scientists we the people of planet earth will enjoy better food prices for our valiant farmers and a fine planet to live on.
As a corollary the left will at some point need to discuss this as if they are adults not as hysterical tantruming children
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jan 14, 2018 20:14:40 GMT
Naut I pickup on the iris effect, it is in my mind the single biggest driver of moderation and temperature buffering. You see it virtually undiscussed in the CAGW story and for obvious reasons. The iris controls the flow of energy into the earths weather system where tropical oceans are and the poles very specifically the arctic kick the energy out powerfully accelerated by periods of low ice. The key to this is the energy input at the pole is trivial and flux into the tropics is massive. if you need proof think about weather its the transport system for said energy. Personally I don't think we are going to a cold spell just a slide back to the 70's temperatures with the advantage of more CO2 and some remaining GM scientists we the people of planet earth will enjoy better food prices for our valiant farmers and a fine planet to live on. As a corollary the left will at some point need to discuss this as if they are adults not as hysterical tantruming children I think that there are problems that will inhibit any real discussion. Politicians have leapt upon the bandwagon of 'CAGW' as they can get more power and more taxes they really don't mind whether it is scientifically true or not but the politicians must NEVER be seen to be wrong. So they will not admit they are wrong even if people are holding ice hockey tournaments in the Gulf of Mexico and in the Beagle Gulf. The bankers are looking at the huge amount of money they can make as they salami slice profits from the 'carbon' taxes envisaged by the politicians - and there is nothing more like a monkey trap than a banker holding onto potential money. The globalists will never let go of what they see is the potential for world governance that treaties like the Paris COP21 could give them. Behind all that are Billionaires like Soros who are betting on economies failing and nations like India and China that would really like to overtake the first world economies and they all have huge amounts of money riding on policies built to 'combat' CAGW. Under that are the sheeple who have been poorly educated by poorly educated teachers and believe as that is all they know, the sheeple are fast becoming the majority due to the unrelenting media message that CAGW is happening next week if no action is taken - or perhaps the week after that, I am getting to hope that Theo's forecast is correct as unrelenting and undeniable cold will lead to the largest political and financial reset in world history.
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Jan 14, 2018 22:57:55 GMT
Naut I pickup on the iris effect, it is in my mind the single biggest driver of moderation and temperature buffering. You see it virtually undiscussed in the CAGW story and for obvious reasons. The iris controls the flow of energy into the earths weather system where tropical oceans are and the poles very specifically the arctic kick the energy out powerfully accelerated by periods of low ice. The key to this is the energy input at the pole is trivial and flux into the tropics is massive. if you need proof think about weather its the transport system for said energy. Personally I don't think we are going to a cold spell just a slide back to the 70's temperatures with the advantage of more CO2 and some remaining GM scientists we the people of planet earth will enjoy better food prices for our valiant farmers and a fine planet to live on. As a corollary the left will at some point need to discuss this as if they are adults not as hysterical tantruming children I think that there are problems that will inhibit any real discussion. Politicians have leapt upon the bandwagon of 'CAGW' as they can get more power and more taxes they really don't mind whether it is scientifically true or not but the politicians must NEVER be seen to be wrong. So they will not admit they are wrong even if people are holding ice hockey tournaments in the Gulf of Mexico and in the Beagle Gulf. The bankers are looking at the huge amount of money they can make as they salami slice profits from the 'carbon' taxes envisaged by the politicians - and there is nothing more like a monkey trap than a banker holding onto potential money. The globalists will never let go of what they see is the potential for world governance that treaties like the Paris COP21 could give them. Behind all that are Billionaires like Soros who are betting on economies failing and nations like India and China that would really like to overtake the first world economies and they all have huge amounts of money riding on policies built to 'combat' CAGW. Under that are the sheeple who have been poorly educated by poorly educated teachers and believe as that is all they know, the sheeple are fast becoming the majority due to the unrelenting media message that CAGW is happening next week if no action is taken - or perhaps the week after that, I am getting to hope that Theo's forecast is correct as unrelenting and undeniable cold will lead to the largest political and financial reset in world history. Agree entirely, Naut. For years, I have been telling people that politicians, bureaucrats and bankers had 'light bulb' moments when they realised the extent of the largesse available.
|
|
|
Post by missouriboy on Jan 14, 2018 23:22:53 GMT
It is unfortunate I'm afraid, but history typically requires a crisis for a reset to occur. Multiple potential crises are looming.
|
|