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Post by graywolf on Apr 11, 2015 19:52:54 GMT
And the same time we get an alaskan paper looking at permafrost decay and the heating it provides to the rest of the deposit.......
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Post by acidohm on Apr 11, 2015 19:57:46 GMT
And the same time we get an alaskan paper looking at permafrost decay and the heating it provides to the rest of the deposit....... Clearly the whole situation requires careful and objective investigation!
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Post by Ratty on Apr 12, 2015 10:59:56 GMT
And the same time we get an alaskan paper looking at permafrost decay and the heating it provides to the rest of the deposit....... Clearly the whole situation requires careful and objective investigation! ... and more research dollars! I missed my calling; should have studied science. Sigh.
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 12, 2015 11:28:12 GMT
Clearly the whole situation requires careful and objective investigation! ... and more research dollars! I missed my calling; should have studied science. Sigh. As anyone who has worked in research knows almost the first thing that is thought about on a project final report is how to justify 'further research' - or as a research director I worked with at one establishment said: "Research is a never ending story."
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Post by Ratty on Apr 12, 2015 21:40:06 GMT
... and more research dollars! I missed my calling; should have studied science. Sigh. As anyone who has worked in research knows almost the first thing that is thought about on a project final report is how to justify 'further research' - or as a research director I worked with at one establishment said: "Research is a never ending story." I saw that movie.
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Post by graywolf on Apr 15, 2015 8:31:16 GMT
Very early start to the wildfire season in Siberia this time ( 15 dead) Every year since 07' we have seen major wildfires over the tundra lowering the albedo and acting to accelerate the snow thaw in the years after. The lowering of albedo also allows for faster 'warm up' of the ground below.
Interesting year across Yamal this time I think?
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Post by Ratty on Apr 15, 2015 21:53:10 GMT
Very early start to the wildfire season in Siberia this time ( 15 dead) Every year since 07' we have seen major wildfires over the tundra lowering the albedo and acting to accelerate the snow that in the years after. The lowering of albedo also allows for faster 'warm up' of the ground below. Interesting year across Yamal this time I think? I hope Keith's trees are safe.
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 16, 2015 12:46:25 GMT
Very early start to the wildfire season in Siberia this time ( 15 dead) Every year since 07' we have seen major wildfires over the tundra lowering the albedo and acting to accelerate the snow thaw in the years after. The lowering of albedo also allows for faster 'warm up' of the ground below. Interesting year across Yamal this time I think? It is a natural cycle, forest fires have existed for millenia to the extent that many species of beetles have evolved to only lay eggs in burned (sometimes still hot) wood. Where there is woodland there are fires. The interesting thing is that worldwide the number of forest fires is actually lower than normal.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 16, 2015 15:44:43 GMT
Very early start to the wildfire season in Siberia this time ( 15 dead) Every year since 07' we have seen major wildfires over the tundra lowering the albedo and acting to accelerate the snow thaw in the years after. The lowering of albedo also allows for faster 'warm up' of the ground below. Interesting year across Yamal this time I think? It is a natural cycle, forest fires have existed for millenia to the extent that many species of beetles have evolved to only lay eggs in burned (sometimes still hot) wood. Where there is woodland there are fires. The interesting thing is that worldwide the number of forest fires is actually lower than normal. Yes they are lower than normal. And in reality, that is not a good thing. Most pine trees require a hot fire for the cones to sprout. With the dearth of fire, whole forests are becoming tinder boxes, rather than the few sectional type of fires as in the past. Now we are getting to the point of serious, very large fires. Another aspect of man trying to control something he shouldn't be.
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Post by Ratty on Apr 16, 2015 21:55:44 GMT
Here in Oz, we allow people to build houses in forests then muster massive resources to save the houses when fires break out. Then there's the environmentalists who rail against controlled fuel reduction burning. Siiigh.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 19, 2015 1:35:59 GMT
... and more research dollars! I missed my calling; should have studied science. Sigh. As anyone who has worked in research knows almost the first thing that is thought about on a project final report is how to justify 'further research' - or as a research director I worked with at one establishment said: "Research is a never ending story." And that is partially because science 'is never settled'. If it was ... well, you know that story. Careers require continuing funds. So of course, there is always follow-up research to do, legitimately or not. Only when you're challenged is the science 'settled'. And that makes it parochial and, by definition, political. Nothing more parochial and defensive than an old, government-funded researcher riding that golden-thesis goose into the sunset. Almost brings a tear to the eye, if it wasn't so sad ... and, in some cases, dangerous. There but for the grace of God go any number of us.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 19, 2015 2:07:59 GMT
It is a natural cycle, forest fires have existed for millenia to the extent that many species of beetles have evolved to only lay eggs in burned (sometimes still hot) wood. Where there is woodland there are fires. The interesting thing is that worldwide the number of forest fires is actually lower than normal. Yes they are lower than normal. And in reality, that is not a good thing. Most pine trees require a hot fire for the cones to sprout. With the dearth of fire, whole forests are becoming tinder boxes, rather than the few sectional type of fires as in the past. Now we are getting to the point of serious, very large fires. Another aspect of man trying to control something he shouldn't be. I lived nearly a decade in Flagstaff, Arizona. At 7000 feet, the Ponderosa Pine forests of the Colorado Plateaau north of the Mongollon Rim are spectacular. But decades of Forest Service fire suppression created a tinderbox of gigantic proportions. In the 'old days' these forests would support 2 or 3 of the old-growth trees per acre with almost no undergrowth in this semi-arid climate. Most young trees would be killed out by periodic wildfires. Suppression has created a density of perhaps 50 or more trees per acre in places. Thickets of young saplings stunted for water in a very unnatural situation. Over the last decade, controlled burns have been introduced (mostly around built-up areas) to try and reestablish previous conditions and avoid urban burn-overs. Large areas of the forest remain dangerously overgrown and, in a long-running drought and reduced government funding, it is only a matter of time. Some may have heard of the 'sliderock fire' in Oak Creek Canyon last year. Camp fire left burning when fires were not permitted ... winds gusting from the south across dense pine forests in a wind-funneling canyon headed upslope into forever, with small Flagstaff forest communities right in the path. They were real lucky they got this one under control. Threw everything they had at it. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=oak+creek+canyon+fire&qpvt=oak+creek+canyon+fire&FORM=VDREVery good aerial views. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=oak+creek+canyon+fire&qpvt=oak+creek+canyon+fire&form=VDRE&first=1#view=detail&mid=85C2591F08544C27DB8885C2591F08544C27DB88We can expect much more of this.
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Post by graywolf on Apr 19, 2015 10:04:20 GMT
With all eyes on Yamal this summer and another record warm year in the offing (2014's 'warmest year' has been followed by the warmest 12 month period in Jan which was beaten by Feb and has just been beaten by March) I'd expect to see further developments there?
We now have further concerns over mantle CH4 leaching out through major faults through the region (that are held as responsible for the PETM temp surge) as the frozen 'cap' melts and allows the build up od CH4 to clear.
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Post by Ratty on Apr 19, 2015 10:44:26 GMT
With all eyes on Yamal this summer and another record warm year in the offing (2014's 'warmest year' has been followed by the warmest 12 month period in Jan which was beaten by Feb and has just been beaten by March) I'd expect to see further developments there? We now have further concerns over mantle CH4 leaching out through major faults through the region (that are held as responsible for the PETM temp surge) as the frozen 'cap' melts and allows the build up od CH4 to clear. Classic Aussie response: We'll All be Rooned
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 19, 2015 12:18:15 GMT
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