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Post by missouriboy on Apr 18, 2016 22:32:29 GMT
Easily done Sig, unless you've got a PhD and learnt the handshake That's why together with the clever handshake they roll up their trouser legs - preparation for sea level rise! It is also useful for wading through shit!
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 19, 2016 0:53:32 GMT
True missouriboy!!!! LOL!!!
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 4, 2016 21:47:52 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 5, 2016 2:12:08 GMT
Are you speculating the climate will change? I don't have to speculate as the climate is ever changing.
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jun 5, 2016 14:34:19 GMT
Pielke is guilty of heresy and crimes against humanity. He needs to be burned at the stake. Wait. That would just put unacceptable amounts of carbon into the atmosphere. Perhaps never ending federal investigation. Wait. That didn't shut him up yet. Maybe we can arrange for him to be abducted by aliens. Just disappear, like.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 12, 2016 2:03:08 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 12, 2016 9:22:15 GMT
This was the reason for 'smart meters' in the first place. It gives a lot of control to the power companies and those who control the power companies. So UK for example is close to the edge in baseload power capacity thanks to politicians making stupid 'I am greener than you' decisions. So a still wind frosty night in midwinter and there is a problem with one of the larger power generation plants on the national grid. This would normally result in power cuts to domestic customers (read 'voters'). So the UK 'government' has fields of diesel generators (the STOR) that would come online and could perhaps cover for 8 hours before refueling is required, they will also tell industry that they will require their plants to shut down or go onto standby power to reduce load on the grid. However, if that does not work the smart meters will get the government out of a hole by switching off either power drains in your house like storage heating, refrigerators etc. If that does not work they will disconnect every 25th house (say). Domestic user first action on power down in the house is to check outside to see if its a 'power cut' but all the neighbors power is on - and the street lights still on. So its something in the house - call in a fault and the power company will send someone around tomorrow.... When the power cut is no longer needed power is restored. If anyone calls back to find what the problem is they are told their system was recycled remotely through the smart meter and it appears OK. Control. I think may be the real reason that many 'greens' (with 'Common Purpose') are requiring homes to be all electric.
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 12, 2016 9:58:54 GMT
Naut I hold major concerns about the Greens full actual focus. However the smart meter thing if well implemented can be superb.
I say this with a number of qualifications, we don't have this sorted in NZ but I have seen it used in the US. The customer must have variable pricing and the ability to choose what load is shed with live pricing. This is done automatically but according to the customers wishes. wealthy people may choose to have power when they wish but then will pay whatever. People may alternately choose to not have heating or cooling above a set price or water heating may be delayed. In NZ we have an electricity price dominated by the purported cost of transmission and distribution. At a retail consumer level it accounts for 75% of the price, the excuse has been the need to build ever larger transmission etc. peek shaving would have stopped this argument and delivered much reduced consumer prices plus it would have exposed the daft spend of the wind and solar sector to prices in a market that reflect the actual value of the product sold.
However my suspicion is that we will be rogered regardless.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 12, 2016 10:08:09 GMT
Naut I hold major concerns about the Greens full actual focus. However the smart meter thing if well implemented can be superb. I say this with a number of qualifications, we don't have this sorted in NZ but I have seen it used in the US. The customer must have variable pricing and the ability to choose what load is shed with live pricing. This is done automatically but according to the customers wishes. wealthy people may choose to have power when they wish but then will pay whatever. People may alternately choose to not have heating or cooling above a set price or water heating may be delayed. In NZ we have an electricity price dominated by the purported cost of transmission and distribution. At a retail consumer level it accounts for 75% of the price, the excuse has been the need to build ever larger transmission etc. peek shaving would have stopped this argument and delivered much reduced consumer prices plus it would have exposed the daft spend of the wind and solar sector to prices in a market that reflect the actual value of the product sold. However my suspicion is that we will be rogered regardless. I have no problem with the voluntary use of the system. Florida Power and Light here (the lowest cost electricity in the US I believe) offers just that kind of incentive to domestic customers where they will power down one of a list of power hungry devices in a domestic consumer's home for a discount on the total bill just for the agreement and a further discount if actually used. Of course we have items here that are less common in other areas such as pool pumps; just stopping those in a county will offload a considerable amount of power.
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Post by Ratty on Jun 12, 2016 10:09:51 GMT
[Snip ] However my suspicion is that we will be rogered regardless. Roger that.
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Post by graywolf on Jun 12, 2016 10:25:35 GMT
The Indian Monsoon is delayed for the third year running. With rising global temps set to alter the reliability of the yearly rains this could well one an area already seeing rapid climate shift as the 330 million folk suffering drought struggle on.
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Post by Ratty on Jun 12, 2016 11:58:34 GMT
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Post by graywolf on Jun 12, 2016 12:23:00 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jun 12, 2016 22:33:05 GMT
GW, can you explain what is the "stationary climate" referred to several times in that paper?
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 13, 2016 4:25:18 GMT
That is a complete rubbish paper.
As soon as the word unprecedented is used in an unqualified context you know its a spin story.
Just about no event other than a date can be unprecedented or more precisely, provable as unprecedented, only fools and idiots intent on deception say this stuff. Very sad to see that organization with a long academic history sliding into the roll of state propaganda agency or even worse Stazi type organization.
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