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Jul 25, 2018 10:01:53 GMT
Post by nautonnier on Jul 25, 2018 10:01:53 GMT
Nautonnier, Judy Curry has her "Stadium Wave" theory which explains the 60-year ocean current oscillation. Has anyone put forth an ENSO prediction based on the Barycenter concept? The theory I have outlined here is akin to the stadium wave theory but its also connected to phases in ocean temperatures resulting from stripping ice insulation off northern seas. Low ice extent in Arctic provides millions of square kilometers of open ocean to allow processes such polynyas, frazil ice, and larger refreezes supercharging super cold highly saline water getting pumped to the bottom of the arctic ocean. There has to be a hugely robust process for the cooling of ocean bottoms since they are sandwiched between a hot earth core and ocean surfaces and climates above world wide that are somewhere around 13 to 15C hotter than the ocean bottoms. The ocean oscillations have corresponded to the opening of ice in the northwest passage for the Hudson Bay Company and subsequently the first NW passage single year transit by Henry Larsen and again in the latest decade. The effects are also observable in west coast saltwater and anadromous fisheries which led to the discovery of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation in 1996. However, almost all the data regarding these processes has occurred during a period of time where a grand solar minimum was firing up and now perhaps is tailing off. When one considers that the oceans themselves might be responsible for multi-century and perhaps cycles well exceeding a thousand years we are just beginning to scratch the surface of the complexities of climate. Do you mean 'Grand Solar Maximum' there Iceman? I have to agree with you we have been watching one ripple that has lasted several generations, unaware that the ripple is the tail end of a huge breaker and there is another one to follow but our extremely small window on the processes does not allow us to see that.
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Post by icefisher on Jul 25, 2018 14:46:17 GMT
[ Snip ] The theory I have outlined here is akin to the stadium wave theory but its also connected to phases in ocean temperatures resulting from stripping ice insulation off northern seas. Low ice extent in Arctic provides millions of square kilometers of open ocean to allow processes such polynyas, frazil ice, and larger refreezes supercharging super cold highly saline water getting pumped to the bottom of the arctic ocean. There has to be a hugely robust process for the cooling of ocean bottoms since they are sandwiched between a hot earth core and ocean surfaces and climates above world wide that are somewhere around 13 to 15C hotter than the ocean bottoms.The ocean oscillations have corresponded to the opening of ice in the northwest passage for the Hudson Bay Company and subsequently the first NW passage single year transit by Henry Larsen and again in the latest decade. The effects are also observable in west coast saltwater and anadromous fisheries which led to the discovery of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation in 1996. However, almost all the data regarding these processes has occurred during a period of time where a grand solar minimum was firing up and now perhaps is tailing off. When one considers that the oceans themselves might be responsible for multi-century and perhaps cycles well exceeding a thousand years we are just beginning to scratch the surface of the complexities of climate. Ice, your second paragraph? Is that temperature difference correct? I believe it is Ratty. Ocean bottom temperature is about 1C, our mean climate temperature is 15C. Without a constant source of unusually cold surface waters reaching the ocean bottoms conduction would slowly warm the ocean bottoms to around 15C. Seems to me the only source of that cold water has to be from the poles. The earth's oceans thermohaline currents create a turnover of cold water going down at the poles and upwelling in temperate and tropic seas. La Nina's are related to an enhanced cold upwelling. These are large global convective loops similar to those in the atmosphere transporting heat toward the poles. They are more convoluted because of land masses with the major branches of the thermohaline system reaching the north pole moving via the Atlantic ocean due to the shallowness of the Bering Strait. One thing to keep in mind the thermohaline circulation is merely hypothesized. The current is so slight and broad at some of the ocean bottoms it hasn't been ever measured. However, some pieces particularly warm surface currents like the Gulf Stream have. Most of the west coast of America has upwelling zones near the coast. The PDO is gradually being redefined as near coast eastern Pacific upwelling from a general observation of relatively cold water on a multi-decadal basis that affected how far north or south salmon production reached. p.s. Thanks Naut, corrected it.
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Jul 25, 2018 22:26:16 GMT
Post by Ratty on Jul 25, 2018 22:26:16 GMT
Thanks Icefisher. BTW, how is your paper coming along?
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Post by icefisher on Jul 26, 2018 2:01:44 GMT
Thanks Icefisher. BTW, how is your paper coming along? Working on edits. Should be done pretty soon.
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Feb 23, 2019 15:18:34 GMT
Post by blustnmtn on Feb 23, 2019 15:18:34 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 10, 2019 19:34:31 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 16, 2019 14:46:54 GMT
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Aug 16, 2019 16:32:55 GMT
Post by missouriboy on Aug 16, 2019 16:32:55 GMT
I would guess that this arm of NASA is not particularly popular with the "zealot" arm. It is a shame that I no longer have ARGO on my machine. It seems that the northward and eastward trajectory of the gyre may be changing ... in both the N Atlantic AND the N Pacific. Looks like a mirror. If you change to the N Hemisphere image and select the animation you can get a visual of the warmer waters in the Bay of Bisque shrinking over the 3-week time frame. Difference in the Eastern Pacific vs Eastern Atlantic seems to be a slight movement of warmer water into the NW American coastline versus out of the western European coastline. The SSTAs show snapshots of the difference from the baseline but miss the dynamics. That colder than "normal" SST edge from Spain to 50 W is where the action is. I notice that the SST historical image set may have been taken offline? www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anal_fields.htmlIt's going to be increasingly difficult for the "settled science" to explain all of this. Perhaps they will be buying Jeffery Epstein's "island of sorrows" as a last-ditch redoubt. Birds of a feather.
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 23, 2019 11:51:21 GMT
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Sept 19, 2019 6:25:27 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Sept 19, 2019 6:25:27 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 19, 2019 10:18:52 GMT
The error bars in that attempt are huge and multiplied up. Not only that but are the 'lines' supposedly measuring inbound/outbound flux actually seeing everything? This is where accuracy of measurement is important and I don't think that we are there yet. At the same time the top 6 - 10 meters of the oceans have more energy content than the entire atmosphere and the oceans are several kilometers deep. So atmospheric heat content is actually in real terms unimportant. As I have said before once it is in the atmosphere heat is on the way out to space as the main heat reservoirs are the oceans.
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Sept 19, 2019 17:27:01 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Sept 19, 2019 17:27:01 GMT
This site was red flagged by Norton Date & Time,9/19/2019 9:10:54 AM Category: Intrusion Prevention Risk,High Attacker URL www.o-snap.org/Network traffic was detected that matches the signature of a known attack. Mass Injection Website 65 O-snap is a scientific research project, not sure why they'd enable subversive computer technology from their site??
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Sept 19, 2019 22:45:42 GMT
Post by Ratty on Sept 19, 2019 22:45:42 GMT
This site was red flagged by Norton Date & Time,9/19/2019 9:10:54 AM Category: Intrusion Prevention Risk,High Attacker URL www.o-snap.org/Network traffic was detected that matches the signature of a known attack. Mass Injection Website 65 False positive? It happens. My checkers didn't mind the site.
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Oct 2, 2019 10:28:28 GMT
Post by nautonnier on Oct 2, 2019 10:28:28 GMT
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