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Post by sigurdur on May 31, 2017 15:10:26 GMT
The Accord did nothing except reward some nations with cash. And we know where that cash would go.
The US will continue to use the energy resources that we have to our advantage. One thing for sure now, should be that disruption to the grids won't happen as fast......I hope.
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Post by nautonnier on May 31, 2017 15:31:02 GMT
The Accord did nothing except reward some nations with cash. And we know where that cash would go. The US will continue to use the energy resources that we have to our advantage. One thing for sure now, should be that disruption to the grids won't happen as fast......I hope. I am sure that they will think of another way. The chance that US will follow South Australia is now remote. The ideal would be withdrawal from the entire UN Climate Change charade put in place by Maurice Strong
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Post by Ratty on Jun 1, 2017 0:10:08 GMT
Correction: "The chance that US will follow South Australia is now remote." We're back talking about putting taxpayer money into CCS. "Mr Frydenberg said CCS is proven technology than can help reduce Australia's emissions." Siiigh.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 1, 2017 21:01:24 GMT
So Trump _has_ pulled out but said he will work with Democrats if they want to on a better deal Nice one - that is a real quandary for them they almost certainly won't work with Trump, so he will say obviously it is not important to them..... In the mean time we have a non-functioning accord and a drop in temperatures forecast. That will make things very difficult for the CAGW proponents. Expect pretzel shaped claims that the extra heat being trapped is why it has gone cold. This will make them look SO stupid that even the greens may desert. Here is a Josh cartoon of the current discussion.
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Post by Ratty on Jun 1, 2017 23:09:18 GMT
I really loved that cartoon, Naut. I really loved that cartoon, Naut. I really loved that cartoon, Naut.
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 1, 2017 23:16:17 GMT
I really loved that cartoon, Naut. I really loved that cartoon, Naut. I really loved that cartoon, Naut. As a good German always says ... third time's the charm!
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 1, 2017 23:29:45 GMT
I really loved that cartoon, Naut. I really loved that cartoon, Naut. I really loved that cartoon, Naut. As a good German always says ... third time's the charm! I was getting a wordpress error saying sorry we can't do that try again later..... I was getting a wordpress error saying sorry we can't do that try again later..... I was getting a wordpress error saying sorry we can't do that try again later..... So I did So I did So I did It was still sitting here 'unposted' according to Wordpress. But I checked
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Post by Ratty on Jun 2, 2017 3:40:41 GMT
You're forgiven. You're forgiven. You're forgiven.
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Post by Ratty on Jun 2, 2017 4:51:00 GMT
Local rag, Brisbane's Courier Mail has an article about all the shock and outrage over Trump's decision. The comments though are overwhelmingly supportive of his decision. On the Accuweather website, to the question "Do you believe the U.S. should remain in the Paris Climate Agreement?", there is a 67% " no" vote.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 2, 2017 11:16:16 GMT
Local rag, Brisbane's Courier Mail has an article about all the shock and outrage over Trump's decision. The comments though are overwhelmingly supportive of his decision. On the Accuweather website, to the question "Do you believe the U.S. should remain in the Paris Climate Agreement?", there is a 67% " no" vote. Yes WUWT has a collation of hysterical 'tweets' from various luvvies and 'environmentalists' in the comments wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/01/the-craziest-reactions-to-trump-pulling-out-of-the-parisagreement/#comment-2517602 there is a Youtube video of Tucker Carlson interviewing the Mayor of Miami a town built on islands from dredged channels in a marsh that has always flooded at the higher high tides when the wind is in the wrong direction. The mayor comes laden with talking points and cannot answer the simple question how does the USA giving $3billion to a climate fund in an agreement that does not require China and India to reduce emissions affect climate change? So after all the heads have exploded, and I have no doubt there are some trying to think of ways to litigate etc., we get out of the Summer and into the Winter of Theo's forecast cooling. So as Theo has said by the end of the year and next year it will be apparent that things are cooling not getting hotter. How are the people who are now forecasting extreme runaway global warming - going to volte face and say what we meant was the trapping of heat by CO2 will make it colder? Yes, we have seen some of that but usually limited to small locations - if the 'global temperatures' start dropping it could become an extreme embarrassment to put it mildly. So all these head exploding histrionic statements should be recorded to be played back - as - but you said back in June 2017 - a whole lot of David Viner style quotes. In the 'cold light of day' in February next year. as electioneering is starting it will be interesting to see how all this plays out. The 'Greens' and the 'Left' may find themselves at the end of a long walk on a short plank.
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 2, 2017 14:09:30 GMT
Does this Atlantic article encapsulate the essence of 'climate misunderstanding'? At least as it is perceived from the Progressive street level? Its emotional prose and factual (historical) misstatements are nicely bundled as a motivating propaganda piece. It has not yet pivoted to the likely new argument that 'excess' carbon dioxide can cause cooling too. Expect that argument soon in equally lofty prose in the near future. Public radio today has Governor Jerry stating that we are going back to 'the dark ages of climate misunderstanding'. And Mr Macron has raised the cry of, 'make our planet great again'. www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/06/did-donald-trump-just-make-the-planet-hotter/525222/The politics of climate change requires constantly comparing the very small and the very massive.
On the one hand, the carbon-dioxide molecule: three atoms, bound together by electromagnetism, that in sufficient quantities can reflect heat energy back to its source. On the other, the whole planet, our island in the sky, Earth: a medium-sized rock orbiting a medium-sized star, veiled in a thin layer of gas that determines when it rains, when it snows, whether it is a good home.
Between these two extremes hangs the entire phenomenon of climate change: a planetwide convulsion in the normal functioning of Earth’s ocean currents and weather patterns. An excess of carbon dioxide in that narrow atmosphere has trapped a century of extra heat—pushing global temperatures higher and higher, reducing the polar ice caps to their lowest levels ever recorded, bleaching the Great Barrier Reef and cooking cities and towns in sweltering summer heatwaves.
Too many of those little molecules, it has become clear, risks subjecting Earth to the fastest climate change in 50 million years.
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jun 2, 2017 14:50:14 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 2, 2017 15:21:40 GMT
I agree. And yet, they too ignore the issue of whether there is any scientific basis to the 'one' underlying assumption to CAGW, without which all other responses to the issue are mute.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 2, 2017 15:59:12 GMT
I must admit the conclusion is absolutely correct: "people who have more nuanced views choose instead to go to the pub."The major problem with the Paris accord, rather like UK joining the EU, is one of 'engrenage'. Which has a similar meaning as caught in a vicious circle - or caught in the gears. The initial 'voluntary' reductions become next years absolute requirements and you have to reduce more than that next. Similarly, the acceptance that there is an outside body that can tell a nation state to shut down power to the extent that its industry starts failing and the poor can no longer afford to be on the electric grid; is not something that most people would agree with. Except Hollywood actors and millionaires who will not be affected by either problem. However, Germany has nearly half a million families that are unable to afford electricity and Australia is de-industrializing all voluntarily to reduce the rise in temperatures by 0.048C by 2100 based on the all failed models of the IPCC. IFF Germany and Australia get hit by severe and persistent cold weather showing that the forecasts of global warming are as poor as Flannery's warning of continuing severe drought, it will not be just a few desalinators rusting, it could be hundreds of thousands of people freezing as the power systems are unable to supply sufficient affordable power. The USA could then be extremely supportive of Trump's decision.
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 6, 2017 14:37:06 GMT
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