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Post by sigurdur on Jul 29, 2017 1:59:55 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 29, 2017 2:01:30 GMT
There is enough lithium, but there are not enough rare earth metals to make plentiful lithium battery production feasible. We have plenty in Queensland. Aussie doesn't mind/mine anymore
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Post by Ratty on Jul 29, 2017 2:12:28 GMT
Yes. Getting it out of the ground could be a problem .....
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 29, 2017 9:12:31 GMT
A chemical engineer I know had this thought on the UK's "total convert" to electric vehicles: a] Average household electric power consumption; ? 20 kwhs per day b] Average household car useage and engine power; ? 1 hour per day, 100 kw. i.e. 100 kwhs per day [cf current household consumption 20 kwhs] c] Average time of plug-in to recharge; early evening In other words, throwing transport power load onto the power grid will need a huge number of extra power stations, particularly as the power requirement will likely spike in early evening. This does not include household wiring improvement to handle the extra power and pretty well total electric fuel stations coverage. What happens if you have to park in a street? Journeys of more than 300 kms are going to take an awfully long time due to recharge stops. Speaking as someone who studied chemistry in the [very] dim and distant past, I doubt whether any battery can be built to take multiple high current recharges over a period of years. And guess what the new batteries will cost!! Not to mention there is probably not enough lithium around for anything to happen on the scale proposed.. When some thought is put into this, I think the total banning of diesel and petrol vehicles will be delayed somewhat. Add to this that the UK is already at a point when it has only around 1% spare generation capacity. But California and France are following the same script with France actually closing its nuclear power stations to be replaced with ..... The mathematical absurdity of these decisions and their seemingly complete lack of understanding of how many vehicles are overnight parked in multi-storey car parks or on-street parked at random places near homes, makes it apparent this is a political decision to prevent people having private vehicles. I think that they should be called on it and all politicians and greens (and their immediate family) who claim to support this idea should be required to use only electric vehicles. After all they want to lead from the front don't they? Well in electric cars Moonbeam would not be able to drive from San Diego to Sacramento without a night stop, similarly Gove could not drive from Bournemouth to Glasgow or Macron from Paris to St Tropez. So they should be required to use electric vehicles to see how 'well' they work.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 31, 2017 2:36:27 GMT
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Post by mondeoman on Aug 1, 2017 14:27:00 GMT
Thats a good find, and interesting reading. Highlights the dangers of believing the politicians instead of the data.
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 5, 2017 11:20:42 GMT
US notifies UN of Paris climate deal pullout The Trump administration has issued its first written notification that the US intends to withdraw from the 2015 Paris climate agreement.www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40829987
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 7, 2017 17:41:47 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 8, 2017 1:57:57 GMT
An Inconvenient Sequel has apparently accumulated an inconvenient quantity of cash at the box office. How must it feel to be be gored by your own apparition. Let the Turning begin.
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 8, 2017 2:47:15 GMT
What will President Trump do? Time to convene a very public group of well-credentialed skeptics to take on the deep embedded believers in a VERY PUBLIC forum. The prize will be the jobs (careers) that these believers hold. The Climate Apprentice? Prime time pink slips? WASHINGTON — The average temperature in the United States has risen rapidly and drastically since 1980, and recent decades have been the warmest of the past 1,500 years, according to a sweeping federal climate change report awaiting approval by the Trump administration.
The draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies, which has not yet been made public, concludes that Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. It directly contradicts claims by President Trump and members of his cabinet who say that the human contribution to climate change is uncertain, and that the ability to predict the effects is limited.
“Evidence for a changing climate abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans,” a draft of the report states. A copy of it was obtained by The New York Times.www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.htmlThis article contains a copy of the draft report. A little light reading ... 500 pages. I am stocking up on popcorn, bifocals and a lot of patience. Maybe,
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Post by Ratty on Aug 8, 2017 3:37:52 GMT
[ Snip ] This article contains a copy of the draft report. A little light reading ... 500 pages. I am stocking up on popcorn, bifocals and a lot of patience. Maybe, Would you like my advice, Missouri?
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 8, 2017 4:22:40 GMT
[ Snip ] This article contains a copy of the draft report. A little light reading ... 500 pages. I am stocking up on popcorn, bifocals and a lot of patience. Maybe, Would you like my advice, Missouri? That I'm wasting my time? That thought had crossed my mind. And then there is blood pressure of course,
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 8, 2017 5:08:09 GMT
What will President Trump do? Time to convene a very public group of well-credentialed skeptics to take on the deep embedded believers in a VERY PUBLIC forum. The prize will be the jobs (careers) that these believers hold. The Climate Apprentice? Prime time pink slips? WASHINGTON — The average temperature in the United States has risen rapidly and drastically since 1980, and recent decades have been the warmest of the past 1,500 years, according to a sweeping federal climate change report awaiting approval by the Trump administration.
The draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies, which has not yet been made public, concludes that Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. It directly contradicts claims by President Trump and members of his cabinet who say that the human contribution to climate change is uncertain, and that the ability to predict the effects is limited.
“Evidence for a changing climate abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans,” a draft of the report states. A copy of it was obtained by The New York Times.www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.htmlThis article contains a copy of the draft report. A little light reading ... 500 pages. I am stocking up on popcorn, bifocals and a lot of patience. Maybe, There is no actual evidence that it is CO2 that is the cause of the increase in temperatures and a lot of historical evidence that it cannot be. So? There have been continual changes in the climatic temperatures nobody is saying that the climate is completely static. Except of course the alarmists who appear to think that the climate would be static if man was not burning fossil fuels. But that is not true as we know from the past Holocene optimum, Minoan optimum, Roman warm period, Medieval Warm Period, and the recent warming. The psychological need for some people to always have someone to blame for changes they do not like, does not justify deindustrializing the US.
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Post by birder on Aug 8, 2017 14:55:27 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 8, 2017 16:13:04 GMT
What will President Trump do? Time to convene a very public group of well-credentialed skeptics to take on the deep embedded believers in a VERY PUBLIC forum. The prize will be the jobs (careers) that these believers hold. The Climate Apprentice? Prime time pink slips? WASHINGTON — The average temperature in the United States has risen rapidly and drastically since 1980, and recent decades have been the warmest of the past 1,500 years, according to a sweeping federal climate change report awaiting approval by the Trump administration.
The draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies, which has not yet been made public, concludes that Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. It directly contradicts claims by President Trump and members of his cabinet who say that the human contribution to climate change is uncertain, and that the ability to predict the effects is limited.
“Evidence for a changing climate abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans,” a draft of the report states. A copy of it was obtained by The New York Times.www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.htmlThis article contains a copy of the draft report. A little light reading ... 500 pages. I am stocking up on popcorn, bifocals and a lot of patience. Maybe, There is no actual evidence that it is CO2 that is the cause of the increase in temperatures and a lot of historical evidence that it cannot be. So? There have been continual changes in the climatic temperatures nobody is saying that the climate is completely static. Except of course the alarmists who appear to think that the climate would be static if man was not burning fossil fuels. But that is not true as we know from the past Holocene optimum, Minoan optimum, Roman warm period, Medieval Warm Period, and the recent warming. The psychological need for some people to always have someone to blame for changes they do not like, does not justify deindustrializing the US. My first search of this document will be to see if and in what detail CO2's 'proven' effect on climate is discussed. My guess is that it is not. It is merely the Biblical ... "I am". End of discussion. The VERY PUBLIC forum should save a lot of time by focusing on this very issue.
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