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Post by nautonnier on Dec 25, 2015 9:24:06 GMT
Not sure that the geographic pole (the axis of rotation) can alter that simply. The Earth is not a sphere it is an oblate spheroid with the bulge at the equator due to the continual acceleration of the rotation. The rotational axis is therefore quite stable. Any movement of the Earth's axis would lead to very dramatic earthquake and tectonic activity. The 'ancients' did align their buildings to a common reference but they had no idea where the geographic pole was, only where the stars were that were 'fixed' in the Northern sky. Over several thousand years these stars will change alignment due to the rotation and movement of the galaxy. This alignment change can give a clue to the date the building took place. Notably, the heliocentric and lunar aligned buildings and monuments are still in alignment so the Sun and Moon have not altered in relative position to those monuments.
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Post by acidohm on Dec 25, 2015 11:23:43 GMT
Not sure that the geographic pole (the axis of rotation) can alter that simply. The Earth is not a sphere it is an oblate spheroid with the bulge at the equator due to the continual acceleration of the rotation. The rotational axis is therefore quite stable. Any movement of the Earth's axis would lead to very dramatic earthquake and tectonic activity. The 'ancients' did align their buildings to a common reference but they had no idea where the geographic pole was, only where the stars were that were 'fixed' in the Northern sky. Over several thousand years these stars will change alignment due to the rotation and movement of the galaxy. This alignment change can give a clue to the date the building took place. Notably, the heliocentric and lunar aligned buildings and monuments are still in alignment so the Sun and Moon have not altered in relative position to those monuments. Not sure it's that simple re: ancient building. Some self reference the circumference of the planet, many can be used to calculate precession, by this I mean using multiple sites globally and using the angles from the radius on the sure to the planet centre. Put simply, Ancient monuments appear to refer to greater geography and time then we'd allow their technology to be able to calculate.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 25, 2015 17:03:40 GMT
Not sure that the geographic pole (the axis of rotation) can alter that simply. The Earth is not a sphere it is an oblate spheroid with the bulge at the equator due to the continual acceleration of the rotation. The rotational axis is therefore quite stable. Any movement of the Earth's axis would lead to very dramatic earthquake and tectonic activity. The 'ancients' did align their buildings to a common reference but they had no idea where the geographic pole was, only where the stars were that were 'fixed' in the Northern sky. Over several thousand years these stars will change alignment due to the rotation and movement of the galaxy. This alignment change can give a clue to the date the building took place. Notably, the heliocentric and lunar aligned buildings and monuments are still in alignment so the Sun and Moon have not altered in relative position to those monuments. Not sure it's that simple re: ancient building. Some self reference the circumference of the planet, many can be used to calculate precession, by this I mean using multiple sites globally and using the angles from the radius on the sure to the planet centre. Put simply, Ancient monuments appear to refer to greater geography and time then we'd allow their technology to be able to calculate. If one presumes that the fastest land travel was horse,and ocean travel was uncertain by sail and that there were no telecommunications, it would seem unlikely that there was any intercontinental cooperation. Although there may be commonality in approach. There is actually a book called 'Forbidden Archaeology' that you might like to read that provides another possibility.
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Post by acidohm on Dec 25, 2015 18:53:49 GMT
I agree, seems unlikely....however our pre-history can be similar to the co2 issue with a mainstream approach over riding further discussion...
Graham Hancock is an interesting journalist/author who has written on the subject. I do not claim there to be an answer, just that there are questions not answered by conventional explanation. .
When I get the time ill post some titbit of info for y'all to over view..
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 25, 2015 20:33:19 GMT
I agree, seems unlikely....however our pre-history can be similar to the co2 issue with a mainstream approach over riding further discussion... Graham Hancock is an interesting journalist/author who has written on the subject. I do not claim there to be an answer, just that there are questions not answered by conventional explanation. . When I get the time ill post some titbit of info for y'all to over view.. All mainstream science and history come with preconceived baggage. The world was flat until it wasn't. CO2 will be dangerous until it's not. Yankees will be angelic saviors until they're not. The wheel keeps rolling until it doesn't. As each wheel breaks, knowledge will advance ... for a while ... until it doesn't. And the cycle starts again. Acidohm ... your vocabulary is drifting toward the southland.
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Post by acidohm on Dec 25, 2015 20:46:13 GMT
I agree, seems unlikely....however our pre-history can be similar to the co2 issue with a mainstream approach over riding further discussion... Graham Hancock is an interesting journalist/author who has written on the subject. I do not claim there to be an answer, just that there are questions not answered by conventional explanation. . When I get the time ill post some titbit of info for y'all to over view.. All mainstream science and history come with preconceived baggage. The world was flat until it wasn't. CO2 will be dangerous until it's not. Yankees will be angelic saviors until they're not. The wheel keeps rolling until it doesn't. As each wheel breaks, knowledge will advance ... for a while ... until it doesn't. And the cycle starts again. Acidohm ... your vocabulary is drifting toward the southland. Yeah, well, I'm a hick at heart (drive a pickup, dream of transams and wear a cap) and its late x mas day....gimme a break!!
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Post by buildreps on Dec 25, 2015 21:03:37 GMT
I hope you're all had a great Christmas day/evening?
To understand your subject you must go outside your subject to understand your subject. Graham Hancock has the courage to do this, and is more successful in finding credible explanations than his colleges do. But this made him controversial. In fact are many great scientists controversial. To find real answers you must be able to shift your paradigm. Don't look through a straw when you want to find real answers.
According to Egyptologists the Egyptians would have carved granite with copper chisels. All material experts know this is impossible. So what is it that crept in the heads of these scientists? A virus? Or irrationality? They don't look beyond their own subject and become completely irrational. That's unscientific, and a tragic error that slows down human progress.
Has anyone an idea how accurate the pyramids of Giza are aligned to the current geo North pole? Why is this? Where is the claim based on to state that the ancients couldn't locate geographical positions?
It's not only about the cross-bearing of ancient buildings. Has anyone wondered why the boundaries of the last ice age looked like it did? Why is it not centred around the current geo North pole? Can anyone locate, within certain limits, the centre region of the last ice age?
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Post by acidohm on Dec 25, 2015 21:11:26 GMT
However, personally, I'd have a hard time getting over the lack of evidence in the location of volcanic activity.....
Having a really good Xmas thx Buildreps ..hope u are too!!!!
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Post by buildreps on Dec 26, 2015 8:56:41 GMT
However, personally, I'd have a hard time getting over the lack of evidence in the location of volcanic activity..... Having a really good Xmas thx Buildreps ..hope u are too!!!! Thanks acidohm, having a wonderful weekend! Whoever claimed that volcanic activity by definition must be the proof of crustal slips? I believe someone else claimed this. But based on what is this claim posited in here? So, no one here can explain the eccentricity of the last ice age relative to the current geo pole? Why was it so eccentric then?
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 26, 2015 13:32:52 GMT
All mainstream science and history come with preconceived baggage. The world was flat until it wasn't. CO2 will be dangerous until it's not. Yankees will be angelic saviors until they're not. The wheel keeps rolling until it doesn't. As each wheel breaks, knowledge will advance ... for a while ... until it doesn't. And the cycle starts again. Acidohm ... your vocabulary is drifting toward the southland. Yeah, well, I'm a hick at heart (drive a pickup, dream of transams and wear a cap) and its late x mas day....gimme a break!! That wasn't a knock my friend ... that was a complement.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 26, 2015 13:53:57 GMT
However, personally, I'd have a hard time getting over the lack of evidence in the location of volcanic activity..... Having a really good Xmas thx Buildreps ..hope u are too!!!! Thanks acidohm, having a wonderful weekend! Whoever claimed that volcanic activity by definition must be the proof of crustal slips? I believe someone else claimed this. But based on what is this claim posited in here? So, no one here can explain the eccentricity of the last ice age relative to the current geo pole? Why was it so eccentric then? It may be totally or partially wrong (as most scientific theses are) but ... I remember from long and far away a geographic explanation of the center and extent of the ice sheets that was based on cold and precipitation. The wet northeastern fringe of the continent under colder climate conditions. The southern and southeastern fringes may have been drier in general, but the year-to-year accumulation determined the location. The geographic pole is a cold desert, thus the wetter eastern and southeastern margins were the zones of accumulation.
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Post by buildreps on Dec 27, 2015 8:37:32 GMT
Thanks for responding, missouriboy. Hope you had a great weekend.
We all know that the sun is the greatest energy provider on earth, and that all other events are just insignificant. There's no mechanism that can account for such an eccentricity other than the sun itself.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 27, 2015 16:35:29 GMT
Thanks for responding, missouriboy. Hope you had a great weekend. We all know that the sun is the greatest energy provider on earth, and that all other events are just insignificant. There's no mechanism that can account for such an eccentricity other than the sun itself. Yes ... unless the Chief Muse is correct (see chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/09/06/the-sun-does-not-warm-the-earth/), then I know of no other heating source than the sun and our planet's movements in respect to it. But that doesn't mean anything as I have no personal link to any great cosmic truth. And I suspect that if the science is ever truely settled, which I doubt, that we will be appropriately amazed. But, until then, the scientific speculation is stimulating.
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Post by buildreps on Dec 28, 2015 18:21:21 GMT
Yes ... unless the Chief Muse is correct (see chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/09/06/the-sun-does-not-warm-the-earth/), then I know of no other heating source than the sun and our planet's movements in respect to it. But that doesn't mean anything as I have no personal link to any great cosmic truth. And I suspect that if the science is ever truely settled, which I doubt, that we will be appropriately amazed. But, until then, the scientific speculation is stimulating. That was fun to read. The last ')' was copied into the link which gave me a 'Page not found' message. So for anyone who wants to read this, delete the ) in the link. This whole notion doesn't account for the insolation effect we see everywhere on earth - the higher the latitude (+/-) the colder it gets. But some of the basics could be true, that inner warmth provides a sort of basic heat. It's probably hard to refute. He has a creative mind Thanks very much for this link!
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 28, 2015 19:46:15 GMT
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