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Post by stanb999 on Feb 5, 2016 18:48:28 GMT
Whatever it's always being cooled by space. Apart from when it is not being cooled by space. That was incoherent... Was that a statement or a question One could argue that it's even being cooled by space on the sun facing side... Because the heat is in fact be radiated back at the sun. How much do you suppose the earth heats the suns surface with radiated energy? Or is it all one way?
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Post by stanb999 on Feb 5, 2016 18:49:37 GMT
Or has the conversation gone full circle?
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Post by Andrew on Feb 5, 2016 18:50:01 GMT
Apart from when it is not being cooled by space. That was incoherent... Was that a statement or a question One could argue that it's even being cooled by space on the sun facing side... Because the heat is in fact be reflected back at the sun. How much do you suppose the earth heats the suns surface with radiated energy? Or is it all one way? Hot things heat cold things Things that are getting hotter are not being cooled - they are getting hotter.
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Post by stanb999 on Feb 5, 2016 18:55:47 GMT
That was incoherent... Was that a statement or a question One could argue that it's even being cooled by space on the sun facing side... Because the heat is in fact be reflected back at the sun. How much do you suppose the earth heats the suns surface with radiated energy? Or is it all one way? Hot things heat cold things Things that are getting hotter are not being cooled - they are getting hotter. So your suggesting cold things can't radiate to maintain heat in an object or add energy to hotter things? How does the particle know the temperature? Does it practice telekinesis? Does it duck and avoid the wrong collisions? Or was this my point on bowling balls from many years ago that you disparaged just a day ago? P.S. If I take a torch and heat a bar of steel. It's both cooling and heating... right?
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Post by stanb999 on Feb 5, 2016 18:59:41 GMT
Or differently for the simple minded...
If I stick one end of a room temp bar into ice water and the other end I heat with a torch.
Wont it be heating and cooling at the same time?
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Post by Andrew on Feb 5, 2016 19:01:31 GMT
Hot things heat cold things Things that are getting hotter are not being cooled - they are getting hotter. So your suggesting cold things can't radiate to maintain heat in an object or add energy to hotter things? How does the particle know the temperature? Does it practice telekinesis? Does it duck and avoid the wrong collisions? Or was this my point on bowling balls from many years ago that you disparaged just a day ago? P.S. If I take a torch and heat a bar of steel. It's both cooling and heating... right? You are mixing up concepts. The Earth can never heat the Sun. cold things cannot heat hot things. You are also being very childish. If you can stop doing that you will be able to type fewer words and we can progress this faster.
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Post by Andrew on Feb 5, 2016 19:05:10 GMT
Or differently for the simple minded... If I stick one end of a room temp bar into ice water and the other end I heat with a torch. Wont it be heating and cooling at the same time? If you are talking about a bar of steel then it either gets hotter or colder or remains the same. It is not just English we are talking about. If you say >>Wont it be heating and cooling at the same time?[/quote] You are referring to a bar of steel
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Post by nonentropic on Feb 5, 2016 20:24:25 GMT
so sigmaT4 is the key equation Stefan-Boltzmann put it together.
I don't know why i enter this silly discussion but there you have it the key equation and yes every object above absolute zero radiates.
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Post by Andrew on Feb 5, 2016 22:03:26 GMT
so sigmaT4 is the key equation Stefan-Boltzmann put it together. I don't know why i enter this silly discussion but there you have it the key equation and yes every object above absolute zero radiates. Ok but to understand the full horror of the thread you have to understand that Icefisher is not disputing the stefan-boltzmann law and neither is he disputing a two way radiation transfer resulting in a net heating from hot to cold. The current issue is that Icefisher is claiming stefan boltzmann has to be used in a particular way that "engineers understand" and one that harvard educated climate professors are unable to understand.
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Post by stanb999 on Feb 5, 2016 23:02:42 GMT
Two last points for now... The earth certainly radiates from the sun lite side. Towards the sun and otherwise.
Bringing into some other info... the sun only effectively heats directly for about 4 hours a day in any one spot. After that brief period solar energy rapidly falls off. Ask anyone with solar panels.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 7, 2016 14:28:37 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Nov 26, 2017 22:27:47 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 26, 2017 22:48:25 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Nov 26, 2017 23:16:43 GMT
He posted a comment on a thread not too long ago.
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Post by Ratty on Nov 26, 2017 23:26:10 GMT
I have noticed Icefisher's absence in the past week; something came up that I thought might benefit from the input of an auditor. Can't remember what it was but I did think of IF. Hope he is holidaying or has his head deep in some books, somewhere. Wherefore art thou, IF?
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