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Post by Andrew on Jan 29, 2016 23:04:46 GMT
What do you mean by a source of cold? How does a source of cold consume warmth? Does the cold source exert a force upon the warmth? LOL! Now our local moron is claiming cold air does not absorb anything from hot air! Hang it up Andrew!!! I am not saying that at all.
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Post by icefisher on Jan 29, 2016 23:10:41 GMT
LOL! Now our local moron is claiming cold air does not absorb anything from hot air! Hang it up Andrew!!! I am not saying that at all. What do you mean? You just asked that very question of Sigurdur! "How does a source of cold consume warmth?" It absorbs it! It doesn't spit it out you moron! No wonder you are confused and attributing the spitting out of heat back to the surface to force warming! And you even have a little MC Escher-like numerology model to calculate it for us. LOL!
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Post by Andrew on Jan 29, 2016 23:17:28 GMT
I am not saying that at all. What do you mean? You just asked that very question of Sigurdur! "How does a source of cold consume warmth?" It absorbs it! It doesn't spit it out you moron! No wonder you are confused and attributing the spitting out of heat back to the surface to force warming! And you even have a little MC Escher-like numerology model to calculate it for us. LOL! Take a deep breath I asked those questions for a good reason. Sig said that backradiation was nothing to do with it. So i am wondering why he would say that. 1. What is meant by a source of cold? 2. How does this thing called a source of cold go about consuming warmth? 3. Is the source of cold exerting a force upon the warmth to cause the consumption?
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 29, 2016 23:20:06 GMT
Andrew isn't a moron.
He has a mental block that will eventually dissolve.
In time, he will warm up to understand that CO2 is not much of anything.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 29, 2016 23:21:27 GMT
Andrew: Don't confuse "back" radiation with radiation.
Or better yet: Describe what you mean by "back" radiation please.
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Post by icefisher on Jan 29, 2016 23:22:28 GMT
What do you mean? You just asked that very question of Sigurdur! "How does a source of cold consume warmth?" It absorbs it! It doesn't spit it out you moron! No wonder you are confused and attributing the spitting out of heat back to the surface to force warming! And you even have a little MC Escher-like numerology model to calculate it for us. LOL! Take a deep breath I asked those questions for a good reason. Sig said that backradiation was nothing to do with it. So i am wondering why he would say that. 1. What is meant by a source of cold? 2. How does this thing called a source of cold go about consuming warmth? 3. Is the source of cold exerting a force upon the warmth to cause the consumption? I especially like question #3. Andrew trying to play kindergarten teacher. No Andrew all the little cold thingy did was gesture with a waggling finger and when Mr Hot got too close the Cold Thingy gobbled him up! After that the Cold Thingy probably did not spit anything at the spot Mr Hot was in a moment ago, instead the Cold Thingy probably looked around for a Cold Thingy and spat at that.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 29, 2016 23:26:54 GMT
Andrew isn't a moron. He has a mental block that will eventually dissolve. In time, he will warm up to understand that CO2 is not much of anything. I am only interested in why you are claiming the greenhouse effect cannot work when it is a very simple idea. If you have nothing useful to contribute to this conversation then keep out of it. I am tired of you entering threads causing a diversion and then leaving before i have worked out why on Earth you have said what you have said. You have done this time and time again. Forget about CO2. I am not a f**king AGW warmist so dont treat me like one. I am wanting to know why you are saying that backradiation has nothing to do with the fridge thought experiment
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 29, 2016 23:28:29 GMT
Andrew: What is back radiation?
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Post by Andrew on Jan 29, 2016 23:29:52 GMT
Take a deep breath I asked those questions for a good reason. Sig said that backradiation was nothing to do with it. So i am wondering why he would say that. 1. What is meant by a source of cold? 2. How does this thing called a source of cold go about consuming warmth? 3. Is the source of cold exerting a force upon the warmth to cause the consumption? I especially like question #3. Andrew trying to play kindergarten teacher. No Andrew all the little cold thingy did was gesture with a waggling finger and when Mr Hot got too close the Cold Thingy gobbled him up! After that the Cold Thingy probably did not spit anything at the spot Mr Hot was in a moment ago, instead the Cold Thingy probably looked around for a Cold Thingy and spat at that. This conversation has been running for 4 years and zero progress has been made. Sig was talking about a source of cold and saying backradiation did not come into it. The question is relevant. Please stop endlessly being such a stupid person and grow up.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 29, 2016 23:31:45 GMT
AS far as a "Greenhouse" effect: 1. The atmosphere of earth is NOT a damn GREENHOUSE! There is NO shell, cover on our atmosphere. 2. The atmosphere has MASS! 3. That is why there are PRESSURE gradients, etc. That is why Mean Sea Pressure is a fixed function. There is MASS above sea level that is held in place by gravity. Mass can warm and cool.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 29, 2016 23:32:53 GMT
OK.....simple Andrew: What the hell is "BACK" radiation? How is it different from side radiation, front radiation......
Angled radiation.......the questions are endless with no definition.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 29, 2016 23:34:09 GMT
Andrew: What is back radiation? We believe all objects emit radiation. Heat however is treated as a mathematical quantity that flows from hot to cold. So there is forwards radiation in the direction of the heat flow and backwards radiation from cold objects to hot objects. Backradiation is not a scientific name but it serves to describe the flow from cold to hot
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Post by Andrew on Jan 29, 2016 23:35:27 GMT
AS far as a "Greenhouse" effect: 1. The atmosphere of earth is NOT a damn GREENHOUSE! There is NO shell, cover on our atmosphere. 2. The atmosphere has MASS! 3. That is why there are PRESSURE gradients, etc. That is why Mean Sea Pressure is a fixed function. There is MASS above sea level that is held in place by gravity. Mass can warm and cool. Oh come on please. The name is incorrect. it has nothing to do with a bloody garden greenhouse.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 29, 2016 23:42:23 GMT
Andrew: The stop calling is the bloody greenhouse effect!
It is ACTUALLY a MASS equation!
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 29, 2016 23:43:48 GMT
I am so old, and have been reading/studying atmosphere for so long, that I well remember when ALL radiation equations were BASED on MASS. When science ACTUALLY used to be science and not some stupid cliche.
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