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Post by Ratty on Dec 1, 2018 20:44:12 GMT
Comment by Warren Beeton: Replying to @bigjoebastardi Do you understand the Clausius Clapeyron equation which says airs ability to hold moisture is exclusively a function of temperature? And do you know the world has been warming? Ergo?
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 2, 2018 3:35:25 GMT
Comment by Warren Beeton: Replying to @bigjoebastardi Do you understand the Clausius Clapeyron equation which says airs ability to hold moisture is exclusively a function of temperature? And do you know the world has been warming? Ergo? Well climate 'scientists' have been taking the arithmetic mean of highest temperature and lowest temperature observation each day and incorrectly calling it the daily 'average' temperature. If the lowest temperature observation is not as low the mean of the two temperatures is higher and the climate 'scientists' say it is getting warmer and incorrectly (deliberately) add the increase to the top temperature and then project that increase simplistically into the future and incorrectly claim the temperatures will rise. One of the effects of increased water vapor is to prevent the air temperature dropping as fast or as low. My money is with Joe Bastardi on this one.
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Post by icefisher on Dec 2, 2018 3:48:19 GMT
Comment by Warren Beeton: Replying to @bigjoebastardi Do you understand the Clausius Clapeyron equation which says airs ability to hold moisture is exclusively a function of temperature? And do you know the world has been warming? Ergo? Well climate 'scientists' have been taking the arithmetic mean of highest temperature and lowest temperature observation each day and incorrectly calling it the daily 'average' temperature. If the lowest temperature observation is not as low the mean of the two temperatures is higher and the climate 'scientists' say it is getting warmer and incorrectly (deliberately) add the increase to the top temperature and then project that increase simplistically into the future and incorrectly claim the temperatures will rise. One of the effects of increased water vapor is to prevent the air temperature dropping as fast or as low. My money is with Joe Bastardi on this one. Indeed. Thats a point I like to drive home. The word "warming" is not a scientific word because it can mean more than one thing. It can mean a "slowing of cooling" which means more temperatures that are normal and less extreme. It can mean things are gaining heat (vs simply losing less), getting hot which would mean temperature that are not normal and more extreme. The eventual reply that AGW scientists were comfortable with to the challenges by Gerlich and Tscheuschner was CO2 slows cooling and claimed to know no more. Of course that doesn't rule out temperatures getting more extreme, it just means that the only known expected effect of CO2 is a slowing of cooling, less extreme temperatures, and more normal weather.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2018 2:36:03 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Dec 4, 2018 9:14:19 GMT
Anything relative to a 1960-1991 baseline would appear above 'average' ... methinks. Did I read where Gavin favours those years as his base?
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2018 10:20:26 GMT
Anything relative to a 1960-1991 baseline would appear above 'average' ... methinks. Did I read where Gavin favours those years as his base? I'll go with the hump-to-hump baseline ... also called the Bactrian Hummer. No need to ever change it. A mean connecting the "unadjusted" midpoints of Humps 1 and 2 ought to tell you everything ya ever need to know about the anomalies on either side and in the middle. Pull its tail and you'll find out what your analysis really means. Even Gavin could smell that one.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 4, 2018 15:33:08 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2018 15:55:33 GMT
Wonder what part of Honduras. The Islands?
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 6, 2018 1:54:27 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Dec 6, 2018 17:42:53 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 6, 2018 17:55:23 GMT
Should be required reading (and perhaps testing) for all university students. Logic, ethics and common sense might also be added to the required list.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 7, 2018 0:29:41 GMT
Should be required reading (and perhaps testing) for all university students. Logic, ethics and common sense might also be added to the required list. It should. There are some disciplines where misuse of statistics is actually worse than climate 'science'; for example medicine where patients are all treated as identical - you actually have to remind doctors about genetics. Then the fact that they only see the sick examples so their priors are all biased to the bad effects.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 7, 2018 0:42:27 GMT
This is an excellent READ!!!
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 7, 2018 14:51:32 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 8, 2018 11:29:44 GMT
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