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Post by Ratty on Jan 18, 2018 23:37:22 GMT
"Hell, you might even call it vaguely optimistic." Maybe ... but ... someone didn't get the memo. Humans now 'dwarf natural climate effects'The acting director of the UK Met Office, Prof Peter Stott, told BBC News: "It's extraordinary that temperatures in 2017 have been so high when there's no El Niño. In fact, we’ve been going into cooler La Niña conditions. "Last year was substantially warmer than 1998 which had a very big El Niño. "It shows clearly that the biggest natural influence on the climate is being dwarfed by human activities – predominantly CO₂ emissions." He said uncertainties arising from incomplete global coverage of weather stations had been included in the calculations. I am sure that's true. www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42736397That is all over the local ABC news since last night; repeated in every news bulletin.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 19, 2018 0:12:43 GMT
Can anyone produce any real evidence that CO2 has caused any change in temperatures in the earth's atmosphere?
No, but a cast of thousands is beavering away as I type.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 19, 2018 1:30:01 GMT
Can anyone produce any real evidence that CO2 has caused any change in temperatures in the earth's atmosphere?No, but a cast of thousands is beavering away as I type. Damn!
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 19, 2018 4:29:02 GMT
What is In Other Official Federal Records is Not What You Get With NCDC - Sioux City, Iowa
OK ... now I step up 200+ miles to the north at Sioux City, Iowa and rerun the NCDC mean temperature time series against my Sioux City, Iowa file. Same approach and analysis as for Columbia, MO. And the result is even worse. The visual view of the deviations looks good from a distance. But the deviations of the deviations shows upwards of a 3 C upward trend over the winter period. Summer shows a 1 C upward drift. The past has been cooled and the present warmed. These jocks are really brassy putting those databases out there.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 19, 2018 5:16:44 GMT
They don't know how very good you are!!
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 19, 2018 13:48:52 GMT
What is In Other Official Federal Records is Not What You Get With NCDC - Sioux City, Iowa
OK ... now I step up 200+ miles to the north at Sioux City, Iowa and rerun the NCDC mean temperature time series against my Sioux City, Iowa file. Same approach and analysis as for Columbia, MO. And the result is even worse. The visual view of the deviations looks good from a distance. But the deviations of the deviations shows upwards of a 3 C upward trend over the winter period. Summer shows a 1 C upward drift. The past has been cooled and the present warmed. These jocks are really brassy putting those databases out there. Tony Heller would like this Mo’boy.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 19, 2018 15:44:29 GMT
Summary from the Gray paper: The one thing I think is missed is the inertial pumping effect on the Thermo Haline Circulation (THC) from the Length Of Day (LOD) changes caused by the Sun's orbital changes. Hypothesis: The strong and weak THC changes are linked to the orbital perturbations of the Sun/Earth system caused by the orbits of the larger planets. (Aka barycenter). It would be good if there was a way (Theo?) of cross matching the THC strength changes to the solar orbit perturbations. It may be that there are two effects the solar orbit changes altering the solar dynamo _and_ the LOD effects This could also explain Theo forecasting the ENSO
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Post by acidohm on Jan 19, 2018 20:34:58 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 19, 2018 22:58:20 GMT
The sales arm of the perpetrators are basking in the Caribbean ... while the German consumer is left to attend the ritual hangings.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 20, 2018 0:13:49 GMT
Summary from the Gray paper: The one thing I think is missed is the inertial pumping effect on the Thermo Haline Circulation (THC) from the Length Of Day (LOD) changes caused by the Sun's orbital changes. Hypothesis: The strong and weak THC changes are linked to the orbital perturbations of the Sun/Earth system caused by the orbits of the larger planets. (Aka barycenter). It would be good if there was a way (Theo?) of cross matching the THC strength changes to the solar orbit perturbations. It may be that there are two effects the solar orbit changes altering the solar dynamo _and_ the LOD effects This could also explain Theo forecasting the ENSO This is an opportunity to post an image Theo posted elsewhere:
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 20, 2018 16:44:05 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 20, 2018 19:34:24 GMT
This is an opportunity to post an image Theo posted elsewhere: So now look at the center of the sun in 1980 and envisage looking down on the sun rotating counter clockwise the outer atmosphere of the sun is accelerating when on the side of the barycenter and decelerating on the side away from the barycenter, In 1998 the opposite is true. In 1990 there is no such effect as the Sun is rotating about a barycenter that is at the Sun's center but that is within a rapid change from 1987 to 1994. This stirring of the pot must affect the solar dynamo.
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 20, 2018 22:34:29 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jan 21, 2018 0:29:35 GMT
Does anyone know whether any climate models accommodate barycenters?
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 21, 2018 2:54:39 GMT
Does anyone know whether any climate models accommodate barycenters? Manilow?
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