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Post by missouriboy on Mar 24, 2016 20:18:14 GMT
OCEAN SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES FOR 15 N TO 15 S LATITUDE INVERSELY CORRELATED TO CLOUD COVERMonthly Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies along the equator appear to be inversely correlated to monthly IR low level cloud cover percentages for the same area. I downloaded the IR Low Level Cloud cover data for the World's oceans between 15 N and 15 S, calculated deviations for the 2004-09 period mean and compared it to the SST Argo deviations for the same and vuela! Best inverse match I've ever seen. Temps go up as cloud cover goes down and the up-temp periods even lag the cloud cover change. SSTs seem to change by 0.14 C for every 1 degree of cloud cover. These data are monthly, so seasonal changes are represented ... but that should not affect the relationship. Lower cloud cover, higher SSTs. Higher cloud cover, lower SSTs. Chart below. Note that cloud cover is highest in N Hemisphere summer and fall, while temperature is highest in spring. Attachments:
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Post by acidohm on Mar 24, 2016 20:30:33 GMT
I really don't know what else one would expect!!
Nicely put Mboy...look forward to seeing those graphs.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 24, 2016 21:30:25 GMT
I really don't know what else one would expect!! Nicely put Mboy...look forward to seeing those graphs. I was hoping for a 'Thank You' note from Michael Mann!
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 24, 2016 22:28:10 GMT
Dr. Lindzen maybe, Dr. Mann. Naw, kinda like an oil co check.
Send me the graphs?
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 24, 2016 22:44:36 GMT
Dr. Lindzen maybe, Dr. Mann. Naw, kinda like an oil co check. Send me the graphs? Yeah, I can do that. Any idea who we contact about fixing our attachment limit for the forum?
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 24, 2016 23:31:41 GMT
Dr. Lindzen maybe, Dr. Mann. Naw, kinda like an oil co check. Send me the graphs? Yeah, I can do that. Any idea who we contact about fixing our attachment limit for the forum? Kevin is hard to get ahold off. I am going to go through old threads that I started and delete pictures if they have been repeated via replies. That should free up some room.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 24, 2016 23:36:42 GMT
Ok, code knows how to do this, I will have to find out from him again. It is tricky but can be done.
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 24, 2016 23:41:06 GMT
Wow, missouriboy!!!
One would have to be a blind man with both hands tied behind his back to not see the correlation between cloud and temperature.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 25, 2016 0:47:25 GMT
Wow, missouriboy!!! One would have to be a blind man with both hands tied behind his back to not see the correlation between cloud and temperature. Then the CO2 hallelujah chorus must all be related to Ray Charles!
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Post by acidohm on Mar 25, 2016 7:44:43 GMT
Yeah, I can do that. Any idea who we contact about fixing our attachment limit for the forum? Kevin is hard to get ahold off. I am going to go through old threads that I started and delete pictures if they have been repeated via replies. That should free up some room. Sig, maybe if you can get hold of Kevin again....you could get him to pass administration status down???
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 25, 2016 12:12:48 GMT
Kevin is hard to get ahold off. I am going to go through old threads that I started and delete pictures if they have been repeated via replies. That should free up some room. Sig, maybe if you can get hold of Kevin again....you could get him to pass administration status down??? Will see what I can do.
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Post by duwayne on Mar 25, 2016 16:25:22 GMT
Dr. Lindzen maybe, Dr. Mann. Naw, kinda like an oil co check. Send me the graphs? Yeah, I can do that. Any idea who we contact about fixing our attachment limit for the forum? Missouriboy, can you state what you are trying to do?
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 25, 2016 17:04:11 GMT
Yeah, I can do that. Any idea who we contact about fixing our attachment limit for the forum? Missouriboy, can you state what you are trying to do? I was merely looking for a general quantitative relationship between cloud cover and sea surface temperature, understanding that there may be other factors involved as well. More curiousity than anything else regarding the question, 'how much solar energy is input to the oceans under a given range of cloud conditions?' I assume that there is literature somewhere on this issue and I have not launched a serious literature search. But given the importance of this topic I was curious what the data bases would yield, and perhaps quantify a general statistic (to be compared to others if i find them) for back-of-the-envelope type calculations that one plays with when trying to assess whether something is 'in-the-ball-park'.
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Post by acidohm on Mar 25, 2016 17:34:11 GMT
One issue I'm coming across is how heavily this issue is discussed with a 'climatic' angle. For example an Internet search 'how do clouds affect sea temperature' yields 6 pages and counting of climate and warming based research....
It would be nice to just get a 'clean' answer, not one with an angle.....
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 25, 2016 19:25:46 GMT
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