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Post by missouriboy on Sept 1, 2016 15:32:58 GMT
Greenland Ice Core Temperatures With Reference to Human History
Sometimes it's hard to place oneself (historically) when people start talking about past climates. Here is a chart from Wattsupwiththat that provides a good reference to various times in human history (primarily ethnograhy) in relationship to past global temperature averages. Note that beer sits there right after copper as important points in human history. It was lifted from wattsupwiththat.com/paleoclimate/ where an array of similar climate charts reside. I'm sure there is a whole school of warmist theologians that tend to melt when this is poured over them.  None-the-less, it is a useful reference chart. I found it interesting that the widely used 'Minoan Warm Period' is attached to a warm period that apparently peaked after the Minoan Civilization collapsed. A second chart places this history in context to a reconstruction of atmospheric CO2 for the same time period. It excludes the recent run-up to 400 ppm over the last 100 years.  
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Sept 1, 2016 18:59:40 GMT
Your graph cannot be correct, Mr. Moboy. It is universally known and accepted by all but climate heretics on the level of the Gnostics that 2016 is the warmest year in human history. . . the warmest year EVAH! I declare you anathema!
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 1, 2016 22:30:38 GMT
Your graph cannot be correct, Mr. Moboy. It is universally known and accepted by all but climate heretics on the level of the Gnostics that 2016 is the warmest year in human history. . . the warmest year EVAH! I declare you anathema! Why thank you Mr Phy! I'll take that as a compliment. I did, however, just note that there appears to be a serious descrepancy between the two graphs on their y-axis values. Hmmm. |
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 1, 2016 22:43:14 GMT
Your graph cannot be correct, Mr. Moboy. It is universally known and accepted by all but climate heretics on the level of the Gnostics that 2016 is the warmest year in human history. . . the warmest year EVAH! I declare you anathema! AGW folks would burn Mr. Moboy at the stake, but that would add to his carbon footprint so can't be done. |
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 1, 2016 22:45:31 GMT
Gosh, there are a lot of narrow up and down bands on that graph Missouri! Mankind shows up in large numbers and the temp flattens out.
MMMMMMMMM.........correlation or causation?
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 2, 2016 0:07:21 GMT
Gosh, there are a lot of narrow up and down bands on that graph Missouri! Mankind shows up in large numbers and the temp flattens out. MMMMMMMMM.........correlation or causation? I know what my pastor would say ... but I'd have to point out that we seem to be on a downward slope since the beginning of the common era. When my ancestors settled into the lakes district of Switzerland some 5000 years ago, the climate must have been something. Thinly settled and awakening from a glacial sleep. These lakes range from about 1000 to 2000 meters above sea level and if it was 2 C warmer than today, it must have been a paradise. |
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Post by Ratty on Sept 2, 2016 6:07:15 GMT
Swiss ancestors. eh MissouriBond. Explains why you're so methodical: My wife's antecedents hail from Switzerland.
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 2, 2016 8:56:17 GMT
Swiss ancestors. eh MissouriBond. Explains why you're so methodical: My wife's antecedents hail from Switzerland. The simple answer would be yes ... probably. But us methodical people must provide a 64-cent answer.  According to my Y-chromosomes, I'm Celtic and the proto-Celts supposedly settled into the lakes area of Switzerland and the upper Rhine valley in that general time frame and oozed out from there. My particular subclade (S47) appears to be most common in northwest Italy, which is where the Y-Guys believe that the mutations defining that subclade occurred. Modern populations show S47 driblets largely in a northerly direction ... all the way to England. Not enough matched samples yet to suggest how we got to Britain. If a family unit or a clan unit migrated down the Rhine, then perhaps we went into Britain with the Belgae when they moved from the Low Countries across the Channel. Or perhaps some ancestor was recruited into a Roman legion in northwest Italy and went into Britain with them ... and stayed. However that occurred, we are closely related to testing individuals from a number of family names ... all English ... and largely place name derived, although there is a Taylor. I went ahead and had the Big-Y test done as have a couple of my close matches. This maps the gene mutations to the farthest extremity. In other subclades, with enough samples, the testing companies have been able to date the time of mutation (distance to common ancestor) down to about 200 years or less before present, which puts it into a genealogical time frame. I'm trying to convince enough of the other matches to extend their testing so we can get a simllar result. All very fascinating stuff and I'm trying to learn enough of that science to understand how they are dating the mutations and what the error bars are. So there you have the 64-cent response. My very practical South American Spanish wife asks me ... Why are you doing that? They're all dead anyway. And I can't deny it. They are. But the mountain is there ... and it must be climbed! r |
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Post by acidohm on Sept 2, 2016 9:23:44 GMT
Your such a data monkey missouriboy!!! Im very glad your interests align with this forum!!
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Post by Ratty on Sept 2, 2016 10:25:28 GMT
[ Snip ] So there you have the 64-cent response. My very practical South American Spanish wife asks me ... Why are you doing that? They're all dead anyway. And I can't deny it. They are. But the mountain is there ... and it must be climbed! It took me a while but I managed to remove all the carriage returns from your post and was able to make sense of it .... Methinks you have made a $64.00 response in answer to a 64c question ..... but my wife is intrigued with your explanation and is considering a trip to South Sudan as per your recommendation. ** ** kidding, aren't I (always) |
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 2, 2016 13:43:30 GMT
[ Snip ] So there you have the 64-cent response. My very practical South American Spanish wife asks me ... Why are you doing that? They're all dead anyway. And I can't deny it. They are. But the mountain is there ... and it must be climbed! It took me a while but I managed to remove all the carriage returns from your post and was able to make sense of it .... Methinks you have made a $64.00 response in answer to a 64c question ..... but my wife is intrigued with your explanation and is considering a trip to South Sudan as per your recommendation. ** ** kidding, aren't I (always) Darn carriage returns! That was supposed to be South Switzerland. Ask her to tell Uncle Salva hello!  |
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Post by walnut on Sept 2, 2016 14:31:21 GMT
So it has almost never been cooler than now during this interglacial,
What has bothered me about that up till now, is if we cite 8000 year old interpreted data as reliable, aren't we losing some of our right to be indignant about their extrapolated and guesstimated data?
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 2, 2016 14:35:53 GMT
I think both sources of data are reliable. What the difference today is, AGW folks are comparing low resolution data against high resolution data.
It would be very easy for a 30-50 year temperature deviation of 1.0-2.0C to be lost in the noise of the low resolution data. Yet, today the AGW folks seem to think that a short term warming is dramatic.
The lack of statistical understanding continues to confound me. Is it on purpose? Or has the political imperative totally blown away the scientific imperative?
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Post by walnut on Sept 2, 2016 14:53:33 GMT
I look forward to another visit from my in-law who works at NASA. Talk about brilliant obfuscation.
Actually, he conceded that cooling might lie ahead, after much drilling.
Their side moderates the debate, and frames the issues.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 2, 2016 22:58:02 GMT
So it has almost never been cooler than now during this interglacial, What has bothered me about that up till now, is if we cite 8000 year old interpreted data as reliable, aren't we losing some of our right to be indignant about their extrapolated and guesstimated data? Definitely not! I have it on good authority that this is how one of the extrapolations is arrived at:  |
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None-the-less, it is a useful reference chart. I found it interesting that the widely used 'Minoan Warm Period' is attached to a
