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Post by nonentropic on Apr 29, 2020 2:53:15 GMT
Ultimately MM is anti crony Capitalism its only there that my ideas are aligned.
Mostly on this board the view is that global warming solutions are little more than a way for the ruling class to steal from the poor and that the pedaled solution are near as worthless at solving a problem that seems at most exaggerated.
Will he be eaten alive or will he gather a following, he's big in more than one way, and may form a material following.
Ultimately a big step forward and for him to have stepped away from his crowd must be seen as courageous.
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Post by Ratty on Apr 29, 2020 6:50:38 GMT
Ultimately MM is anti crony Capitalism its only there that my ideas are aligned. Mostly on this board the view is that global warming solutions are little more than a way for the ruling class to steal from the poor and that the pedaled solution are near as worthless at solving a problem that seems at most exaggerated. Will he be eaten alive or will he gather a following, he's big in more than one way, and may form a material following. Ultimately a big step forward and for him to have stepped away from his crowd must be seen as courageous. As Sir Humphrey said to Prime Minister Jim Hacker.
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Post by nonentropic on Apr 29, 2020 7:27:36 GMT
a very prescient show
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Post by douglavers on May 3, 2020 0:35:01 GMT
Another Bastardi article from Icecap. icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool/co2_fails_to_respond_to_economic_shutdown_proof_we_are_not_the_source/ This demonstrates the utter futility of closing down fossil fuel power stations. If a 10-20% drop in human CO2 emissions is not even detectable in the Mauna Loa detectors - which have been running for a long time - this means they are insignificant compared with natural sources. I wonder how long it will be before the main scientific community and the press pick up this red hot potato. Doug
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Post by Ratty on May 3, 2020 0:52:20 GMT
Another Bastardi article from Icecap. icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool/co2_fails_to_respond_to_economic_shutdown_proof_we_are_not_the_source/ This demonstrates the utter futility of closing down fossil fuel power stations. If a 10-20% drop in human CO2 emissions is not even detectable in the Mauna Loa detectors - which have been running for a long time - this means they are insignificant compared with natural sources. I wonder how long it will be before the main scientific community and the press pick up this red hot potato.
Doug Don't ....
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Post by acidohm on May 3, 2020 11:40:08 GMT
As of this moment in time, CO2 measurements are higher then they were last year.
Last year, they were anomalously low.
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Post by blustnmtn on May 3, 2020 12:19:47 GMT
Nothing to see here...move along!
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Post by missouriboy on May 3, 2020 13:06:12 GMT
Is that increasingly cold ocean taking a toll?
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Post by blustnmtn on May 3, 2020 13:12:47 GMT
As the AMO goes negative, the magic molecule crowd will point to the shutdown of the world economy as proof for the urgent need for adoption of the “Green New Deal”. Papers and models will abound.
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Post by nautonnier on May 3, 2020 16:07:21 GMT
As the AMO goes negative, the magic molecule crowd will point to the shutdown of the world economy as proof for the urgent need for adoption of the “Green New Deal”. Papers and models will abound. I am sure that flushed with success, Imperial College already have a new climate model to justify adoption of the green new deals now.
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Post by nonentropic on May 3, 2020 18:39:36 GMT
And we have all learnt that we can live well on printed money.
What could possibly go wrong and it will be different this time, just you watch.
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Post by missouriboy on May 5, 2020 13:11:20 GMT
A 12-Year Revisit of a Dr Roy Spencer Article - Still Relevant Today www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/global-warming-as-a-natural-response/To accompany this, the PDO phases run coincident with ENSO. Upcoming negative ENSO conditions portend a negative PDO (cold water along the NW N. American coastline), which was the norm from 1950 to 1976. As pointed out by Curry and others, there appears to be a relationship of some kind between ENSO and the AMO. The untrended AMO series shows a 60-year cycle superimposed on a historical upward temperature trend. Superimposed on these are shorter-term spikes that seem to correspond with and lag ENSO El Nino events. UAH Lower Troposphere global, tropical, continental US and north pole temperature anomalies trend with ENSO and the AMO. We seem to be rapidly headed into the next negative AMO phase coincident with a return to a colder ENSO. Strange that this is all coincident with less intense solar cycles. If SC25 is about the same size as SC24, the current downward trend in northern hemisphere temperatures should continue. I interpret the high UAH temperatures following SC24 to the oceans (both ENSO and AMO areas) rapidly shedding heat to the atmosphere. We may wonder how long this will last, and how much of the ocean's accumulated heat will be shed. But seems to me that all physical processes head toward equilibrium as solar inputs drop ... unless geothermal or another source plays a dominate role. How fast will/could it happen? Look to the great climate shift of 1976. Half a decade is possible. Unfortunately, we don't have satellite coverage spanning that shift ... but we do note that south pole temperature anomalies were higher than north pole anomalies prior to the AMO shift of ~1994, when this reversed. Is there a current change that shifts warmer flows southward? And will we return to temperature anomalies more akin to the 1970s and 80s (-1 C)? Some would say colder.
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Post by nonentropic on May 6, 2020 4:46:13 GMT
This is a very important story. If the temperatures were to drop even 0.5C globally the big mouths will be shut. 0.7C and the game is over.
It will reinforce the re direction of cash towards industries that add value at both a Government and private level. I watch the SOI each day and it is moving lets hope it keeps going. The world needs a break from the madness.
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Post by jopo on May 6, 2020 10:33:40 GMT
Been having a bit of fun with some die hard indoctrinated fools. Finally got the leader of the pack to acknowledge that Greenhouse Gases are what cool down our atmosphere. The IPCC also make that clear in their energy budget. Greenhouse gases is the majority medium to emit to our atmosphere. So one Photon going down and one going up. Net Neutral. One photons adds to the Blanket. The other photon puts a hole in the blanket. They kept banging on about this not real Blanket. Blah blah. Then it dawned on me that NATURE / EVOLUTION itself uses Greenhouse gases to cool down the environment and cool down our body. We perspire and ghg's take the heat away from our body and emits it out to our atmosphere to eventually be transported out to space.. Trees Transpire and they REMOVE heat everyday from the Environment by using Greenhouse Gases. Gases that DO NOT leave a ATMOSPHERIC blanket over your head. If they did we would not be planting trees in our Cities! Greenhouse Gases are a very effective coolant. ghg's Cool our atmosphere. ghg's cool our body! ghg's cool our trees and our houses. this study from Mexico City said it all. Finally, the presented transpiration rates (i.e greenhouse gasses) are capable to reduce up to 20% of net radiation in Mexico City.Trials showed that up to 20% of the heat could be removed. Not by shade but by Transpiration. Transpiration and stomatal conductance as potential mechanisms to mitigate the heat load in Mexico City
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Post by missouriboy on May 8, 2020 1:51:47 GMT
This is a very important story. If the temperatures were to drop even 0.5C globally the big mouths will be shut. 0.7C and the game is over. It will reinforce the re direction of cash towards industries that add value at both a Government and private level. I watch the SOI each day and it is moving lets hope it keeps going. The world needs a break from the madness. It's a major industry these days. Seems to employ thousands. It would be a God awful shame if it crashed.
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