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Post by walnut on Dec 18, 2019 4:33:56 GMT
I wonder how this decade will look to us 30 years from now.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 18, 2019 4:37:02 GMT
What have you got against the Picts?
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 18, 2019 4:38:10 GMT
I wonder how this decade will look to us 30 years from now. It is starting to look like a compressed version of the last 3 decades of the 1700's
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 18, 2019 5:40:38 GMT
What have you got against the Picts? Nothing. According to Wiki and other sources - The Picts were a confederation of Celtic language-speaking peoples who lived in what is today eastern and northern Scotland during the Late British Iron Age and Early Medieval periods. So Picto-Celtic is probably redundant. Angles and Saxons were just continental Germanic tribes that came in after the Legions left. Saxons, and then Normans constitute the British ruling class from about 600 or 800 AD. Decent chance my ancestors were central-south European (U152) Celts that came in with the Legions and somehow survived the Saxons, the Normans, the Plague, the Cold and finally left for the Colonies. They brought their smithing with them. Then one of them ran off and married a Wesson, and the rest is history.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 18, 2019 5:59:52 GMT
Survived the Danes as well. Hell, 1/2 of the UK population is Danish.
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Post by nonentropic on Dec 18, 2019 8:36:39 GMT
the English speaking world. Not with standing the rather vague versions there off. Sorry Ratty but Strine!
The Europeans have never forgiven the world for adopting English as it's language of choice.
A country with English as its first language is 20% ahead of its competitors as simple as that and we all need to embrace that competitive advantage and use it.
The Scottish resent this and that is where their issues start.
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Post by blustnmtn on Dec 18, 2019 11:09:23 GMT
I feel very inadequate with regard to this discussion. I’m a mutt at best though my genes indicate mostly English-Irish descent. My suspicion is I have a dominant strain of Neanderthal running through my lineage. My genetic deficiency notwithstanding, I do believe our tribal heritages persist in general character traits. My blend of European heritage dooms me to endless internal strife. 🤯
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Post by Ratty on Dec 18, 2019 11:38:06 GMT
Survived the Danes as well. Hell, 1/2 of the UK population is Danish. Probably some of my relatives.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 18, 2019 11:53:50 GMT
I feel very inadequate with regard to this discussion. I’m a mutt at best though my genes indicate mostly English-Irish descent. My suspicion is I have a dominant strain of Neanderthal running through my lineage. My genetic deficiency notwithstanding, I do believe our tribal heritages persist in general character traits. My blend of European heritage dooms me to endless internal strife. 🤯 Does water get in your eyes when it's raining?
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 18, 2019 13:57:16 GMT
What have you got against the Picts? Nothing. According to Wiki and other sources - The Picts were a confederation of Celtic language-speaking peoples who lived in what is today eastern and northern Scotland during the Late British Iron Age and Early Medieval periods. So Picto-Celtic is probably redundant. Angles and Saxons were just continental Germanic tribes that came in after the Legions left. Saxons, and then Normans constitute the British ruling class from about 600 or 800 AD. Decent chance my ancestors were central-south European (U152) Celts that came in with the Legions and somehow survived the Saxons, the Normans, the Plague, the Cold and finally left for the Colonies. They brought their smithing with them. Then one of them ran off and married a Wesson, and the rest is history. I had been told that on the maternal side I am descended from the 'black Irish'. These were Spanish sailors from the failed armada who had sailed anticlockwise around the British Isles then down the West coast of Ireland only to run aground and shipwrecked on the South West coast of Ireland. Those Spanish sailors that did get back were not welcomed home as they were losers and were kept on their boats for a considerable length of time with very limited rations and water. Those that had 'landed' in Ireland decided to stay and 'integrated' into the local community. A recent DNA check showed that I had 3% Iberian peninsula genes. Therefore, using the ' Elizabeth Warren Rules' I should register as Latino on the census forms
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 18, 2019 15:55:00 GMT
Nothing. According to Wiki and other sources - The Picts were a confederation of Celtic language-speaking peoples who lived in what is today eastern and northern Scotland during the Late British Iron Age and Early Medieval periods. So Picto-Celtic is probably redundant. Angles and Saxons were just continental Germanic tribes that came in after the Legions left. Saxons, and then Normans constitute the British ruling class from about 600 or 800 AD. Decent chance my ancestors were central-south European (U152) Celts that came in with the Legions and somehow survived the Saxons, the Normans, the Plague, the Cold and finally left for the Colonies. They brought their smithing with them. Then one of them ran off and married a Wesson, and the rest is history. I had been told that on the maternal side I am descended from the 'black Irish'. These were Spanish sailors from the failed armada who had sailed anticlockwise around the British Isles then down the West coast of Ireland only to run aground and shipwrecked on the South West coast of Ireland. Those Spanish sailors that did get back were not welcomed home as they were losers and were kept on their boats for a considerable length of time with very limited rations and water. Those that had 'landed' in Ireland decided to stay and 'integrated' into the local community. A recent DNA check showed that I had 3% Iberian peninsula genes. Therefore, using the ' Elizabeth Warren Rules' I should register as Latino on the census forms It is a self-identified category, so you can be all you can be. Genealogy has as many "liars" per capita as climate science. Or for the gentle reader ... stretchers of the truth, yarn weavers, tall tale tellers, timeshare salesmen ... But many family stories are true ... and sometimes (often), DNA tests can ferret them out. We all have our own little "bar code", traceable "way" back in time. The limits have more to do with whether your close or distant relatives have "tested". A world of near-complete genetic data would be a genealogist's dream. A world of evil men (and women) could also make it a hell.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 18, 2019 16:15:29 GMT
Survived the Danes as well. Hell, 1/2 of the UK population is Danish. Indeed. And, as Bryan Sykes showed, the west to east gradient of history is preserved in the genetic landscape of the Isles. The Saxon, Dane and Norman (Dane-Norse) conquerors never eradicated the Celtic genes from the landscape. Neither male nor female. The 400-year Roman occupation is, genetically, almost invisible. The pre-Celtic Neolithic genetics are still there as well. So Blu, you never know.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 18, 2019 17:19:21 GMT
I feel very inadequate with regard to this discussion. I’m a mutt at best though my genes indicate mostly English-Irish descent. My suspicion is I have a dominant strain of Neanderthal running through my lineage. My genetic deficiency notwithstanding, I do believe our tribal heritages persist in general character traits. My blend of European heritage dooms me to endless internal strife. 🤯 I liked Ratty's question. However, when it's on sale as it is now (through 12/26), the Rolls Royce of YDNA tests, BigY700 (through FamilytreeDNA) costs $399 US. It tests for several million SNPs, which form the structure of the Y-Tree, including new ones currently unique to you. Since these "mutations" are passed directly from father to son (and mutate very slowly), these "chains" of mutations can be traced back over long periods of time. The first heavily-truncated part of my chain (haplogroup and subclades) is transcribed as R1b>U152>Z56>S47>BY3949>CTS1145>BY74807 etc. The current ethno-geographic-temporal interpretation of this is: Indo-European(c.20000ybp)>Central-Southern-European-Celtic(c.4800ybp)>West-Alpine-Celtic(c.4500ybp)>RhoneRiver-Ligurian-Celtic(c.4100ybp)>Unknown-Disputed>NorthwestEngland(c.1100AD)>NorthwestEngland(c.1660). The puzzle goes on. So you CAN see where your tree has been, recognizing that interpretations change. The key is ... who else has tested. What are single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs)?Single nucleotide polymorphisms, frequently called SNPs (pronounced “snips”), are the most common type of genetic variation among people. Each SNP represents a difference in a single DNA building block, called a nucleotide. For example, a SNP may replace the nucleotide cytosine (C) with the nucleotide thymine (T) in a certain stretch of DNA. SNPs occur normally throughout a person’s DNA. They occur almost once in every 1,000 nucleotides on average, which means there are roughly 4 to 5 million SNPs in a person's genome. These variations may be unique or occur in many individuals; scientists have found more than 100 million SNPs in populations around the world. Most commonly, these variations are found in the DNA between genes. They can act as biological markers, helping scientists locate genes that are associated with disease. When SNPs occur within a gene or in a regulatory region near a gene, they may play a more direct role in disease by affecting the gene’s function.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 19, 2019 4:16:38 GMT
I had a SNi P years ago: Couldn't walk for days.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 19, 2019 6:58:48 GMT
I had a SNi P years ago: Couldn't walk for days. Induced mutations are a marvelous thing.
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