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Post by nautonnier on May 2, 2019 16:37:44 GMT
The US is also partially addicted to cheap, high-quality Mexican labor. In that hourly price range (up to $15 an hour), local workers are not always great. The impressive large Texas cities were built by Mexican labor. Two questions: 1. What is the solution? 2. Is there a solution? 1. I hate to say it but as China did and Emperor Hadrian did and as Trump is trying to do - build a wall. Any landowner along the border that objects fine build the wall to the US side of their land. Anyone that wants to come in MUST come in through one of the gated points of entry and if they do not have the correct ID/paperwork etc- they cannot come in. Just the same as at airports. 2. Enforce verification of Nationality, Social Security Number and ID. By enforce that should include fines on employers that do not do this as a percentage of a company's turnover with second offenses leading to imprisonment and being banned from directorships etc. 3. Same ID verification for Voting and someone attempting to vote when not a citizen should lead to up to 5 years imprisonment 4. Issue an executive order removing 'birthright citizenship' as the 14th Amendment that was for emancipated slaves has been misused. The 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' clause meant that it was not for foreign nationals also subjects of another jurisdiction. 5. Complete overhaul of the current permanent resident and citizenship pathways for legal immigrants. It should not take years to get a green card and naturalization. The system should be more like Australia's merit based system. They actually have a lottery for people wanting to emigrate to the US that has so many 'tickets' for each country and the winner gets in with far less check than a visa holder who is known and has been working in the US for several years 6. It should be easier to get in legally than illegally and being in the US illegally it should be impossible to get a job as employers would be scared of getting caught. (For a farmer imagine a fine of 50% of your last 5 years turnover) 7. Allow temporary workers visas and police them rigidly. Well you asked. The only reason that sensible immigration controls are not applied is that it is politically useful to have illegal immigration.
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Post by walnut on May 2, 2019 18:22:29 GMT
Some goods but especially services are going to go up in price quite a bit, I think that reality does not seem real enough to some of the people who are complaining the loudest. These are also the same people who complain that oil companies are "gouging" them if gas prices rise 15 cents.
But it has to be done.
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Post by nautonnier on May 2, 2019 19:01:11 GMT
Some goods but especially services are going to go up in price quite a bit, I think that reality does not seem real enough to some of the people who are complaining the loudest. These are also the same people who complain that oil companies are "gouging" them if gas prices rise 15 cents. But it has to be done. Take an oil company that is refining oil drilled 'locally' and selling it locally. A spat in OPEC happens and Saudi cuts its output - and magically _that night_ the oil from the local refinery become more expensive. But they do not even sell into the same market. That is difficult to defend
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Post by nautonnier on May 2, 2019 21:34:57 GMT
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Post by Ratty on May 3, 2019 1:03:34 GMT
Two questions: 1. What is the solution? 2. Is there a solution? 1. I hate to say it but as China did and Emperor Hadrian did and as Trump is trying to do - build a wall. Any landowner along the border that objects fine build the wall to the US side of their land. Anyone that wants to come in MUST come in through one of the gated points of entry and if they do not have the correct ID/paperwork etc- they cannot come in. Just the same as at airports. 2. Enforce verification of Nationality, Social Security Number and ID. By enforce that should include fines on employers that do not do this as a percentage of a company's turnover with second offenses leading to imprisonment and being banned from directorships etc. 3. Same ID verification for Voting and someone attempting to vote when not a citizen should lead to up to 5 years imprisonment 4. Issue an executive order removing 'birthright citizenship' as the 14th Amendment that was for emancipated slaves has been misused. The 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' clause meant that it was not for foreign nationals also subjects of another jurisdiction. 5. Complete overhaul of the current permanent resident and citizenship pathways for legal immigrants. It should not take years to get a green card and naturalization. The system should be more like Australia's merit based system. They actually have a lottery for people wanting to emigrate to the US that has so many 'tickets' for each country and the winner gets in with far less check than a visa holder who is known and has been working in the US for several years 6. It should be easier to get in legally than illegally and being in the US illegally it should be impossible to get a job as employers would be scared of getting caught. (For a farmer imagine a fine of 50% of your last 5 years turnover) 7. Allow temporary workers visas and police them rigidly. Well you asked. The only reason that sensible immigration controls are not applied is that it is politically useful to have illegal immigration. OK. Thanks Naut. Now for the real question: Is any of that likely to happen?
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Post by nautonnier on May 3, 2019 9:25:15 GMT
1. I hate to say it but as China did and Emperor Hadrian did and as Trump is trying to do - build a wall. Any landowner along the border that objects fine build the wall to the US side of their land. Anyone that wants to come in MUST come in through one of the gated points of entry and if they do not have the correct ID/paperwork etc- they cannot come in. Just the same as at airports. 2. Enforce verification of Nationality, Social Security Number and ID. By enforce that should include fines on employers that do not do this as a percentage of a company's turnover with second offenses leading to imprisonment and being banned from directorships etc. 3. Same ID verification for Voting and someone attempting to vote when not a citizen should lead to up to 5 years imprisonment 4. Issue an executive order removing 'birthright citizenship' as the 14th Amendment that was for emancipated slaves has been misused. The 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' clause meant that it was not for foreign nationals also subjects of another jurisdiction. 5. Complete overhaul of the current permanent resident and citizenship pathways for legal immigrants. It should not take years to get a green card and naturalization. The system should be more like Australia's merit based system. They actually have a lottery for people wanting to emigrate to the US that has so many 'tickets' for each country and the winner gets in with far less check than a visa holder who is known and has been working in the US for several years 6. It should be easier to get in legally than illegally and being in the US illegally it should be impossible to get a job as employers would be scared of getting caught. (For a farmer imagine a fine of 50% of your last 5 years turnover) 7. Allow temporary workers visas and police them rigidly. Well you asked. The only reason that sensible immigration controls are not applied is that it is politically useful to have illegal immigration. OK. Thanks Naut. Now for the real question: Is any of that likely to happen? Depends on the next 6 months. I think that there is going to be a considerable payment for the Mueller inquiry. Had Hillary gone quietly into the night retired and baby sat her grand-kids and Obama similarly walked off into the well remunerated sunset - nothing would have happened about their duplicity. But I think that the swamp-coup they instigated will now get a counter punch of proportions that DC has never seen. Melania Trump: "When You Attack Donald, He Will Punch Back 10 Times Harder" Now imagine something 10 times the impact of the Mueller inquiry.... descending on the Democrats, three letter agencies etc. So after the dust has settled - I think that there may be a somewhat 'new order' - only if the RINOs and 'resist' Democrats are flushed out by the nemesis they are about to face. What has frightened the Democrats is the new AG Barr - he is not to be messed with, so Trump has now got that flank covered. Yes the changes I propose could happen and faster than people think but not till after the next Presidential election.
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Post by blustnmtn on May 3, 2019 10:48:41 GMT
AG Barr appears to actually believe the law matters. A situation Washington DC is ill prepared for. He also appears to have a spine and a brain! A real throwback.
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Post by Ratty on May 3, 2019 13:20:08 GMT
AG Barr appears to actually believe the law matters. A situation Washington DC is ill prepared for. He also appears to have a spine and a brain! A real throwback. The usual TV current affairs fare over here is 'bash Trump' but this morning I came across a broadcast from somewhere in the US that gave an even-handed view. Whoever it was seemed to have the same opinion as you, Blue.
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Post by blustnmtn on May 3, 2019 13:45:36 GMT
AG Barr appears to actually believe the law matters. A situation Washington DC is ill prepared for. He also appears to have a spine and a brain! A real throwback. The usual TV current affairs fare over here is 'bash Trump' but this morning I came across a broadcast from somewhere in the US that gave an even-handed view. Whoever it was seemed to have the same opinion as you, Blue. thefederalist.com/2019/05/02/new-york-times-admits-multiple-spies-deployed-against-trump-campaign/“When William Barr took over as attorney general, it was the first time in years the agency had any real political accountability. Trump’s first attorney general recused himself from overseeing anything related to the 2016 campaign, and his deputy who took over is alleged to have been involved in a conspiracy to oust the president. While Barr was adamant that Mueller’s special counsel probe be unimpeded and his report fully published, he scared the anti-Trump forces in and out of government when he said spying on opposing political campaigns is inappropriate. His public vow to examine whether the widespread spying operation against Trump and his affiliates was lawful and appropriate sent shockwaves through an organized anti-Trump political operation that had completely controlled the narrative until recently.“
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Post by walnut on May 3, 2019 15:32:39 GMT
Barr is responsible for determining and communicating whether or not any laws were broken, his purpose is not to commiserate with the democrats on CSPAN for 30 hours about hidden meanings buried in the Mueller report which might reveal some tangential path to impeachment. He already told them what he needed to tell them, why would he want to participate in the democrats carnival sideshow, being endlessly questioned by the oddballs and dimwits in congress.
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Post by Ratty on May 3, 2019 23:10:39 GMT
Barr is responsible for determining and communicating whether or not any laws were broken, his purpose is not to commiserate with the democrats on CSPAN for 30 hours about hidden meanings buried in the Mueller report which might reveal some tangential path to impeachment. He already told them what he needed to tell them, why would he want to participate in the democrats carnival sideshow, being endlessly questioned by the oddballs and dimwits in congress.
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Post by Ratty on May 8, 2019 0:20:02 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on May 11, 2019 13:57:42 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on May 12, 2019 10:51:50 GMT
The Democrats do not understand simple language
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Post by walnut on May 12, 2019 12:43:37 GMT
The Democrats do not understand simple language It's because democrats lie, and they always project that onto others.
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