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Post by nautonnier on Nov 7, 2019 19:47:36 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 7, 2019 20:02:44 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 7, 2019 21:12:45 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 7, 2019 22:12:18 GMT
NO... "One is short: a quick dismissal by the Senate of the House charges. One is long: an extensive trial that would let the president and his defenders expose wrongdoing by Democrats and their ”permanent bureaucracy” allies. The third — the only approach that is obviously wrong but that may also be the most likely outcome — would be a far more limited trial that would serve only to reward Democrats for their bad behavior before reaching the foreordained conclusion that the president will not be removed from office."From what is being said the GOP are gearing up for the second option a long expose of democrats supported by the IG report and Barr/Durham reports from DoJ. The Democrats have accepted the 3rd light standing on top of the parapet
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Post by Ratty on Nov 7, 2019 22:32:27 GMT
Paywalled. Any chance of a short precis?
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 7, 2019 23:23:05 GMT
Paywalled. Any chance of a short precis? Oook... here goes: It is all up to Mitch McConnel - who despite the railings of the various presidents is a sharp tactician and strategist where it comes to using the Senate rules. Option 1: Turn down peremptorily any attempt by Pelosi to impeach on the grounds that their claims do not meet the standards for the impeachment process. No legitimacy for the attempt. Option 2: Let an impeachment process be run and have the President's lawyers, the IG report, the Barr/Durham investigation 'howitzers' decimate the swamp. However, the impeachment process was given legitimacy even if it was a disaster for the Democrats. So may in future be re-attempted. Option 3: A short 'impeachment trial' leading to a dismissal. This has none of the advantages of Option 2 (decimating the swamp) and all of its disadvantages provides legitimacy . If it were chosen expect repeat attempts from Democrats. While Trump would no doubt like Option 2 as a revenge, for the long term good of the Country and Constitution, McConnel is likely to choose Option 1. As this re-sets the bar for impeachment to the level it should be at and the procedures back to what they should be.
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Post by Ratty on Nov 8, 2019 0:10:33 GMT
Thanks Naut.
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 8, 2019 22:21:09 GMT
The Pointman analysis at its best..... "If there was one thing for sure in the run up to electing a president in 2016, it was that the attack dogs of the massive combined influence of the news, media and Hollywood would savage Trump and make sure Clinton would be elected. The whole smug machine was against him, and he was about a billion dollars behind the corporate funding she enjoyed. It all looked a bit Donald versus Goliath. Trump’s seeming specialty when dealing with a problem is to make a very quick decision which usually throws the opposition into complete confusion, since the response is unanticipated and far from the usual swampland politician’s slow knee-jerk answer they were expecting. Cue the headless chickens running around the barnyard between a he-can’t-do that outrage and we’ll-need-a-new-plan because as a matter of fact, he actually can do that. He’s three jumps and a skip ahead of them most of the time."Much more here: thepointman.wordpress.com/2019/11/08/donald-vs-goliath-how-trump-took-down-fake-news/
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 8, 2019 23:04:31 GMT
Can I triple like an article?
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Post by Ratty on Nov 9, 2019 1:31:40 GMT
Can someone point me to a good defence of the Electoral College? I'm in an argument on another forum and the voting map doesn't seem to convince them.
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Post by icefisher on Nov 9, 2019 1:59:51 GMT
Can someone point me to a good defence of the Electoral College? I'm in an argument on another forum and the voting map doesn't seem to convince them. i don't have a source but would suggest researching the topic of federalism. the idea is to help avoid a dictatorship of the majority over the minority thru federalist mechanisms that tend preserve powers for the states. the Senate is the manifestation of that and thus each senator has one vote and each state has two senators no matter what its population is. the number of votes in the EC is the total votes of the house of representatives plus the number of Senators.
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 9, 2019 2:33:55 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Nov 9, 2019 7:36:05 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 9, 2019 12:06:00 GMT
The United States (contrary to popular belief) is a Constitutional Republic and NOT a democracy. The Electoral College came in to being when the States were uniting and the less populous states at the time such as Virginia did not want to be electorally governed by an Executive Administration chosen by the more populous Massachusetts. Therefore, States were considered as entities with so many votes in the 'Electoral College'. The populations are different now but the requirement is even more stark. Firmly Democrat Los Angeles County alone (not even a state) has a population of 10 Million outvotes Idaho (1.8 Million), Montana (1.1Million), Wyoming (0.57Million), North Dakota (0.79Million), South Dakota (0.85Million), Iowa (3.2Million) So that is one Californian county could overrule the wishes of 7 States in the choice of the Executive - President and Administration. That is not what the Framers wanted as they vested a LOT of power in the Executive it is co-equal with Congress and the Courts. Hence the Electoral College to ensure that the more populous states were NOT the only ones with a say in who was president. Nowadays we would see that it would be the 'urban effete virtue signallers' out voting the 'fly over' states of industry and agriculture. USA is almost an Eloi - Morlock culture and the Electoral College ensures that the Eloi do not rule the Morlocks
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 9, 2019 16:32:14 GMT
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