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Post by missouriboy on Feb 24, 2018 17:34:00 GMT
The Problem With Averages Is They Hide So Much Variance.
Daily February, 2018 Max, Min & Avg. Temps with Departure from Normal for Columbia, Missouri The monthly departure from normal so far has been -0.2 F. They don't publish the normal monthly variance.
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP =============== 1 41 15 28 -3 2 31 9 20 -11 3 50 28 39 8 4 39 9 24 -8 5 27 0 14 -18 6 24 14 19 -13 7 33 13 23 -9 8 51 19 35 3 9 51 24 38 5 10 24 18 21 -12 11 24 15 20 -13 12 34 13 24 -9 13 46 22 34 0 14 62 39 51 17 15 75 41 58 24 16 41 28 35 0 17 50 28 39 4 18 57 29 43 8 19 67 53 60 24 20 67 28 48 12 21 30 24 27 -9 22 40 30 35 -2 23 42 36 39 2
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Post by Ratty on Feb 25, 2018 1:33:48 GMT
This one of yours Ratty? BonnieQueanbeyan,Feb 22 2018 at 2:57amThis is gut-wrenching news and I want to cry. Yet there are still so many people who still deny climate change. What has to happen for them to admit the looming disaster for this planet? Do they simply not care about the world they are leaving to their children and grandchildren? They do not care about the islands that are going to disappear under the waves. I wonder if they will be so complacent when much of Florida and similar locations disappear under water.And this one? He may want to "tune" his instrument. BanjoEden,Feb 22 2018 at 4:17pm I feel the same way, Bonnie. Florida is already in deep trouble. Much of the city is at sea level. Sea level rise has meant that sewage bubbles out on to the pavements and roads. We have been warned. Pandemics will follow.When will the pandemics start Naut? I need to adjust my schedule ... Where did you spot those?
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 25, 2018 2:35:17 GMT
This one of yours Ratty? BonnieQueanbeyan,Feb 22 2018 at 2:57amThis is gut-wrenching news and I want to cry. Yet there are still so many people who still deny climate change. What has to happen for them to admit the looming disaster for this planet? Do they simply not care about the world they are leaving to their children and grandchildren? They do not care about the islands that are going to disappear under the waves. I wonder if they will be so complacent when much of Florida and similar locations disappear under water.And this one? He may want to "tune" his instrument. BanjoEden,Feb 22 2018 at 4:17pm I feel the same way, Bonnie. Florida is already in deep trouble. Much of the city is at sea level. Sea level rise has meant that sewage bubbles out on to the pavements and roads. We have been warned. Pandemics will follow.When will the pandemics start Naut? I need to adjust my schedule ... Where did you spot those? In the comments section to the following Sidney Herald article. Some of your best and brightest. I think they have relatives here. www.smh.com.au/world/arctic-temperatures-soar-25-degrees-above-normal-in-the-dead-of-winter-20180222-p4z1bh.html
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Post by Ratty on Feb 25, 2018 4:03:11 GMT
SMH, commonly known as Pravda-on-the-Harbour. Quite understandable then. The commenters probably cried in November 2016 too. THINKS: I should take out a subscription so I can get up their ribs ...... do I have the time?
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 25, 2018 5:09:44 GMT
SMH, commonly known as Pravda-on-the-Harbour. Quite understandable then. The commenters probably cried in November 2016 too. THINKS: I should take out a subscription so I can get up their ribs ...... do I have the time? Good entertainment is hard to come by.
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Post by Ratty on Feb 25, 2018 5:16:55 GMT
[ Snip ] THINKS: I should take out a subscription so I can get up their ribs ...... do I have the time? Good entertainment is hard to come by. [/quote] I get all I need here.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 25, 2018 10:57:10 GMT
Miami beach started as just a sandbar which some 'entrepreneurs' in the late 1800's bought at a whole 25c an acre and tried to farm coconut palms. They failed as the local fauna ate the coconuts. A lot of Florida is recovered swampland which strangely now is conserved rather than seen as a waste of space. Miami was worse than 'swampland', inland of the Miami sandbar was flooded mangrove swamp acres and acres of it. Around the early 1900's more rich entrepreneurs from the North thought that they would clear the swamp and dredge the area so that there was open water to allow boat racing. The dredged sand and sludge was piled onto the sand bar and the rest dumped becoming sludge islands a bridge was built across the sludge to the farm on the peninsula which became the longest wooden road bridge in the world. This took lots of labor in the humid 100F heat with mosquitoes and all the other unpleasantness. The town of Miami Beach was incorporated on the recovered sandbar and swamp in 1915. Casinos were built alongside the beach by yet another entrepreneur. Henry Flagler another entrepreneur was building the railway south along the East Coast of Florida. It is claimed that he was persuaded to extend south to Miami because of the 'alligator pear' (avocado) crop that was now successful where coconuts had failed. The railway was eventually to be extended all the way to Key West at the bottom of the Florida Keys. Like the longest wooden bridge though, it has not survived and was replaced with the current road - a _really_ nice drive. See some of the backstory here: miami-history.com/an-unlikely-partnership-fisher-meets-collins/ Miami beach still needs to replace the beach with dredged sand it is artificial. As with New Orleans, the land is being continually drained to prevent its reversion to mangrove swamp, and the dried sludge shrinks and subsides. The islands of dredged sludge have now got expensive homes owned by the famous for being famous. Spring tides especially linked to strong winds can flood across the sandbar and as seen recently storm surge will easily cross Miami Beach and even flood Miami itself. So yes when that happens and even at high tides cheaply plumbed homes at sea level will find that they are 'getting their own back' Pandemics do not start from the occasional eflux of sewage, it is more likely that a new version of a common virus will do that. Miami being rather sunny does not have a large vitamin D deficient population - so a viral pandemic is more likely in a large city in winter when vitamin D levels and natural immunity is low or in a '3rd world' country where populations live in close proximity to livestock and tend not to have easy access to medical care. Well you asked
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 25, 2018 11:06:08 GMT
The Problem With Averages Is They Hide So Much Variance.Daily February, 2018 Max, Min & Avg. Temps with Departure from Normal for Columbia, Missouri The monthly departure from normal so far has been -0.2 F. They don't publish the normal monthly variance. DY MAX MIN AVG DEP =============== 1 41 15 28 -3 2 31 9 20 -11 3 50 28 39 8 4 39 9 24 -8 5 27 0 14 -18 6 24 14 19 -13 7 33 13 23 -9 8 51 19 35 3 9 51 24 38 5 10 24 18 21 -12 11 24 15 20 -13 12 34 13 24 -9 13 46 22 34 0 14 62 39 51 17 15 75 41 58 24 16 41 28 35 0 17 50 28 39 4 18 57 29 43 8 19 67 53 60 24 20 67 28 48 12 21 30 24 27 -9 22 40 30 35 -2 23 42 36 39 2 The problem with averages does not start there. The mean of the maximum and minimum temperature is not the 'average temperature' that day as temperatures do not follow a nice neat sine wave. All this time of observation (TOBS) adjusting is smoke and mirrors to allow fudging the numbers or by mathematicians who do not understand normal variances in observed temperatures caused by changes in cloud cover, fronts, frosts, catabatic winds and sea breezes. Averaging these is a nonsense Averaging atmospheric temperature which is an intensive variable is a nonsense. Averaging added nonsenses is nonsense 2 and is called climatology
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Post by Ratty on Feb 25, 2018 11:44:14 GMT
The Problem With Averages Is They Hide So Much Variance.Daily February, 2018 Max, Min & Avg. Temps with Departure from Normal for Columbia, Missouri The monthly departure from normal so far has been -0.2 F. They don't publish the normal monthly variance. DY MAX MIN AVG DEP =============== 1 41 15 28 -3 2 31 9 20 -11 3 50 28 39 8 4 39 9 24 -8 5 27 0 14 -18 6 24 14 19 -13 7 33 13 23 -9 8 51 19 35 3 9 51 24 38 5 10 24 18 21 -12 11 24 15 20 -13 12 34 13 24 -9 13 46 22 34 0 14 62 39 51 17 15 75 41 58 24 16 41 28 35 0 17 50 28 39 4 18 57 29 43 8 19 67 53 60 24 20 67 28 48 12 21 30 24 27 -9 22 40 30 35 -2 23 42 36 39 2 The problem with averages does not start there. The mean of the maximum and minimum temperature is not the 'average temperature' that day as temperatures do not follow a nice neat sine wave. All this time of observation (TOBS) adjusting is smoke and mirrors to allow fudging the numbers or by mathematicians who do not understand normal variances in observed temperatures caused by changes in cloud cover, fronts, frosts, catabatic winds and sea breezes. Averaging these is a nonsense Averaging atmospheric temperature which is an intensive variable is a nonsense. Averaging added nonsenses is nonsense 2 and is called climatology Now you all know that ... ... but I must agree with you Naut. I am currently assisting an acquaintance by reading his draft paper on the problems with historic temperature data in Australia and how it has been corrupted and misrepresented. ** My task is to assist with readability, punctuation, emphasis, clarity, etc. ** "corrupted and misrepresented" not maliciously but by lack of attention to detail and lack of care.
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 26, 2018 15:22:06 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 26, 2018 19:20:33 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Feb 26, 2018 20:15:50 GMT
Must be another "warming hole"...a big one.
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 26, 2018 21:29:55 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 27, 2018 5:13:30 GMT
That IS a bit of snow!
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Post by Ratty on Feb 27, 2018 5:58:30 GMT
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