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Post by Ratty on Dec 5, 2018 12:36:57 GMT
How very strange. "At a Glance
Summers in the Midwest became cooler and rainfall increased during the second half of the 20th century.With increased crop production, more moisture is pumped into the atmosphere, which helps to cool temperatures and increase rainfall."But the CAGW hypothesis is that CO2 raises the atmospheric temperature and that causes a positive feedback by increasing more evaporation of water 'a more powerful greenhouse gas' and that leads to more heating and eventually the oceans boil..... Of course the hydrological cycle cools as it says in this article, first by removing heat as latent heat from the surface (all the transpiration of irrigation water by the plants) and by raising the humidity the enthalpy of the air rises and more energy is required to raise its temperature. I don't think that the authors of this paper realize that they have falsified the CAGW hypothesis ;-) which is strange. Well spotted, that man. I see a Nobel in the offing ....
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 5, 2018 15:55:33 GMT
Cooling warm minds for the last 355 days. Detailed method write up can be retrieved from the article link as a Microsoft Office or Open Office file. grl56802-sup-0001-2017GL075604-Text_S1.docxWord 2007 document , 3.6 MB agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017GL075604Would this work in reverse in a cooling climate with less ag production? With warming summers thus providing fodder to aberrant greenie minds? Me thinks perhaps a data lag effect might save us?
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 5, 2018 16:18:41 GMT
The phenominum presented in the paper was called "The Warming Hole" when 1st published. Reason being, it was SUPPOSE to be warming, but it wasn't. Do a Duck Duck Go search for the term, and the map of blue should show up. I have it saved, but don't have time right now to upload it etc so it can be displayed here.
Maybe tonight when it is not warming?
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 5, 2018 16:26:34 GMT
The phenominum presented in the paper was called "The Warming Hole" when 1st published. Reason being, it was SUPPOSE to be warming, but it wasn't. Do a Duck Duck Go search for the term, and the map of blue should show up. I have it saved, but don't have time right now to upload it etc so it can be displayed here. Maybe tonight when it is not warming? I remember that article. A Weather Channel link I believe.
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Post by nonentropic on Dec 5, 2018 17:52:57 GMT
The reality is that we that is humans first put weather stations where cities started and then as places became more populated and we detected UHI effects we moved the station to the places where we needed them, in the farming regions. Weather is important to farmers actually very important. Farming is not a natural process despite what people say.
We drain swamps thus regions that had localized marine type climates became more continental then we decided that rain was to variable so we wet the ground as it drys. Look at Joe B and he will show you the impact of heavy rain, that is wet ground on weather in the following week or so. So the weather is moderated cooler days warmer nights etc etc.
Should there be a UHI equivalent for farming based weather stations because these are heavily over represented in the weather records world wide.
This came to me some months ago in Bakersfield CA. a chap was telling me that the temperature had warmed 2C in the last 100 or so years he is a teacher and then told me how the area was drained and now the water table is many 100s of Ft below ground. Irrigation is massive, water is valuable so they are stingy with it but they use it, but what we know is that it is very different in that climatic region due to land use.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 13, 2018 3:49:18 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 13, 2018 4:14:36 GMT
Would someone please pay me a million dollars to find such a conclusion. I mean really.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 13, 2018 8:34:58 GMT
The reality is that we that is humans first put weather stations where cities started and then as places became more populated and we detected UHI effects we moved the station to the places where we needed them, in the farming regions. Weather is important to farmers actually very important. Farming is not a natural process despite what people say. We drain swamps thus regions that had localized marine type climates became more continental then we decided that rain was to variable so we wet the ground as it drys. Look at Joe B and he will show you the impact of heavy rain, that is wet ground on weather in the following week or so. So the weather is moderated cooler days warmer nights etc etc. Should there be a UHI equivalent for farming based weather stations because these are heavily over represented in the weather records world wide. This came to me some months ago in Bakersfield CA. a chap was telling me that the temperature had warmed 2C in the last 100 or so years he is a teacher and then told me how the area was drained and now the water table is many 100s of Ft below ground. Irrigation is massive, water is valuable so they are stingy with it but they use it, but what we know is that it is very different in that climatic region due to land use. The "old salts" from Phoenix, Arizona used to talk about the local climate in the old days ... before the Easterners showed up and started massively irrigating their lawns. Said it used to be a really dry heat ... now the humidity will kill you even though the temperature may have dropped a triffle.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 13, 2018 12:42:07 GMT
Rain-fed crops likely to be a problem? Turn to irrigation from your local river or aquifers. That will fix it, problem solved! Have I missed something?
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 16, 2018 22:16:40 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 17, 2018 10:01:28 GMT
Rain-fed crops likely to be a problem? Turn to irrigation from your local river or aquifers. That will fix it, problem solved! Have I missed something? They will all be dry except when they're flooding.
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