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Post by missouriboy on Apr 7, 2018 1:02:07 GMT
Lows for the next four nights 22, 28, 30 and 31F. Snow tonight. Possible snow Monday.
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Post by AstroMet on Apr 7, 2018 1:09:46 GMT
Lows for the next four nights 22, 28, 30 and 31F. Snow tonight. Possible snow Monday. This is the weather of global cooling and the irregularity of seasons that I've warned about for years. At this time into April 6-7, 2018 you will note that parts of the Upper Midwest, the Great Lakes, into the Ohio Valley and Mid-Atlantic and New England are preparing for colder temperatures and snow. The cause is the near-quiescent Sun and the polar vortex as an upper level low pressure system has polar air migrating south into middle latitudes. For instance, two days ago, April 4, 2018, the air temperature in Aberdeen, South Dakota set a record low of minus 6 degrees Fahrenheit, which is coldest ever recorded during the month of April. By April 6th, the high temperatures throughout the northern & central Plains were 30 degrees below normal.
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Post by glennkoks on Apr 7, 2018 14:13:49 GMT
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Post by AstroMet on Apr 7, 2018 21:42:23 GMT
Well fancy seeing this on Tallbloke's talkshop....it is worth a read...and sounds rather familiar...
Policymakers! Listen up!
"I was trained as an engineer and then did a degree in the History and philosophy of science.
I know how to calculate forces, I understand thermodynamics and radiative theory and I don’t ignore data inimical to any hypothesis.
After thirty years of monitoring and appraising the data, the global warming hypothesis and working out what really causes climatic change I’ve concluded that it ain’t CO2. The real causes of climatic change at the planetary scale are the enormous forces transferring energy between solar system bodies."tallbloke.wordpress.com/2018/04/02/policymakers-listen-up/Those little "bumps" along the bottom look discouraging. I'll have to encourage the garlic to reproduce a little faster. One cup = 203 calories, 14 g protein, 71% vitamin C requirement and many other vitamins ... AND no close neighbors. It will take much more than that Missouriboy, however, it is a good start. The fact is that most of the world's population has been told to believe something that was never true and that's 'man-made global warming' while at the same time the Sun began its slide into its soon-to-be official Grand Minimum. The weather events to come in the 2020s, 2030s and 2040s will shock many worldwide; however, those who did not drink the 'humans are the cause of climate change' kool-aid will be far better prepared than many many others.
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Post by AstroMet on Apr 8, 2018 0:19:57 GMT
Thanks Astro. I assume that we can look forward to more or worse in a cooling climate. About 5 years ago I put in a couple hundred cold tolerant disease resistant fruit trees and have slowly been sowing the rows between trees with 1880s variety hardneck garlic and leeks (had gone wild around the old farm house), together with an assortment of tough perennial largely edibles such as echinacea, sunflowers, etc in an understory of red and white clover with patches of rye and barley. Bees seem to love it. My alliums have gone wild in huge quantities from bulbils around the trees. Too many to break up the clumps and transplant. So they are small but potent. Nothing seems to kill them or eat them. Any recommendations on additional useful plantings? Missouriboy, plants known as bryophytes, such as moss, lichen, liverworts, etc., do not have vascular tissue to pump fluids, so that helps them survive in very cold climates. Byrophytes have another property, called 'totipotency' that allows any cell of the plant to reproduce and grow into a whole new plant.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 8, 2018 0:56:27 GMT
Thanks Astro. I assume that we can look forward to more or worse in a cooling climate. About 5 years ago I put in a couple hundred cold tolerant disease resistant fruit trees and have slowly been sowing the rows between trees with 1880s variety hardneck garlic and leeks (had gone wild around the old farm house), together with an assortment of tough perennial largely edibles such as echinacea, sunflowers, etc in an understory of red and white clover with patches of rye and barley. Bees seem to love it. My alliums have gone wild in huge quantities from bulbils around the trees. Too many to break up the clumps and transplant. So they are small but potent. Nothing seems to kill them or eat them. Any recommendations on additional useful plantings? Missouriboy, plants known as bryophytes, such as moss, lichen, liverworts, etc., do not have vascular tissue to pump fluids, so that helps them survive in very cold climates. Byrophytes have another property, called 'totipotency' that allows any cell of the plant to reproduce and grow into a whole new plant. Thanks Astro. I appreciate that.
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Post by glennkoks on Apr 8, 2018 16:34:46 GMT
For us, 3C is a difference of about 250 miles north. Assuming the same north-south temperature gradient, that would make our climate more like Waterloo, Iowa. Sig is about 700 miles north of me and is about 6.5C colder. I would probably have to dig a deeper, better insulated bunker ... and burn more wood. My garlic would merely laugh at such an excursion as cold does not seem to bother it. The peaches on the other hand would croak. My apples are rated for colder than here and might improve if late spring frosts didn't freeze the flowers. If we run out of deer, we could always turn to Democrats, but I hear they leave a foul taste in the mouth. As for migration, central eastern Oklahoma would be OK ... lots of woodlands, lakes and small prairies about 250 miles southwest. A small westward extension of the Ozark highlands of southern Missouri and Arkansas. My biggest problem is the aging body. Doesn't seem to get on with the pick axe as well as it used to. WEll.....not sure it would laugh. Garlic around these parts doesn't usually make it through the winter unless we put copious amounts of straw over the bed. Same with strawberries. This cold stretch is getting a bit long in the tooth. Fargo had a new low high today by 7 or 8F. Frost is NOT leaving the ground, and it is 4/6/2018. It is downright frigid in my part of the world for this time of the year. After bragging about it being 78 and balmy here the Blue Norther came in. It is currently 48F and the heaters I stored on the top shelf in the very back of the work shop had to come back down. I can't remember ever needing a heater during the second week of April in SE Texas. In addition to this odd weather the forecast high today in Pecos, Texas is 99F. Certainly very rare that there is such a large temperature difference from one side of the state to the other...
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 8, 2018 18:58:26 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 8, 2018 18:59:28 GMT
We aren't dying up here, but dog gone it! The frost continues to go the wrong direction.
I know one thing for sure, any idea of a higher than average wheat crop up here is "Gone with the Wind".
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Post by jcsok on Apr 9, 2018 1:23:16 GMT
I'm very concerned about the wheat crop in southwest Oklahoma. Temps here dropped to 24F for several hours Saturday morning, and remained below freezing for at least 6 to 7 hours, with a brisk wind. No news of damage yet. My wheat was almost in the boot, so significant damage is likely.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 9, 2018 2:22:16 GMT
I'm very concerned about the wheat crop in southwest Oklahoma. Temps here dropped to 24F for several hours Saturday morning, and remained below freezing for at least 6 to 7 hours, with a brisk wind. No news of damage yet. My wheat was almost in the boot, so significant damage is likely. Oh boy. I sincerely hope the damage is not as severe as it 1st appears.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 9, 2018 3:39:05 GMT
For us, 3C is a difference of about 250 miles north. Assuming the same north-south temperature gradient, that would make our climate more like Waterloo, Iowa. Sig is about 700 miles north of me and is about 6.5C colder. I would probably have to dig a deeper, better insulated bunker ... and burn more wood. My garlic would merely laugh at such an excursion as cold does not seem to bother it. The peaches on the other hand would croak. My apples are rated for colder than here and might improve if late spring frosts didn't freeze the flowers. If we run out of deer, we could always turn to Democrats, but I hear they leave a foul taste in the mouth. As for migration, central eastern Oklahoma would be OK ... lots of woodlands, lakes and small prairies about 250 miles southwest. A small westward extension of the Ozark highlands of southern Missouri and Arkansas. My biggest problem is the aging body. Doesn't seem to get on with the pick axe as well as it used to. WEll.....not sure it would laugh. Garlic around these parts doesn't usually make it through the winter unless we put copious amounts of straw over the bed. Same with strawberries. This cold stretch is getting a bit long in the tooth. Fargo had a new low high today by 7 or 8F. Frost is NOT leaving the ground, and it is 4/6/2018. I know you guys get significantly colder than we do, but my garlic has survived -9F this year and -14F in 2014 unprotected. It's relatives (the ones I transplanted) regularly survived -20F back in the 70s and 80s. Typically only one night at a time though, and they are in high organic matter soils which may buffer the hard freezes somewhat. I could send you some of my "super hardneck" to test.
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Post by Ratty on Apr 9, 2018 5:00:18 GMT
I'm very concerned about the wheat crop in southwest Oklahoma. Temps here dropped to 24F for several hours Saturday morning, and remained below freezing for at least 6 to 7 hours, with a brisk wind. No news of damage yet. My wheat was almost in the boot, so significant damage is likely. Welcome Jcsok. Fingers crossed for you ... I presume you're in agriculture? "in the boot" ??
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Post by acidohm on Apr 9, 2018 9:22:09 GMT
I'm very concerned about the wheat crop in southwest Oklahoma. Temps here dropped to 24F for several hours Saturday morning, and remained below freezing for at least 6 to 7 hours, with a brisk wind. No news of damage yet. My wheat was almost in the boot, so significant damage is likely. Hi jcsok...always good to see another agricultural guy here, hope things are better then you fear 🤞
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Post by blustnmtn on Apr 9, 2018 11:16:13 GMT
I'm very concerned about the wheat crop in southwest Oklahoma. Temps here dropped to 24F for several hours Saturday morning, and remained below freezing for at least 6 to 7 hours, with a brisk wind. No news of damage yet. My wheat was almost in the boot, so significant damage is likely. Welcome jcsok, good folks here.
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