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Post by woodstove on Oct 22, 2008 3:57:14 GMT
Sept 9, 2008, 7:42, socold wrote: NCDC temperature monthly anomalies for Northern Hemisphere: January 2008: +0.10°C February 2008: +0.43°C March 2008: +1.03°C April 2008: +0.51°C May 2008: +0.53°C June 2008: +0.59°C July 2008: +0.55°C Brrr that's cold I recommend that those interested in which way temperature is trending take a peak at UAH through all levels of the atmosphere. discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/Our current moment in time is the coldest or nearly the coldest for the last ten years throughout the strata measured by the satellites. And this is at the FRONT end of the negative PDO and what most reasonable observers would agree is a quiet period of solar activity. The warmists on this site and elsewhere would do well to enjoy their last few moments of seeming reasonableness. ;D
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 22, 2008 18:21:46 GMT
Of course that would require the archiving of the datasets currently hidden away from inquisitive eyes by the agw proponents so ALL interested parties can get a look at the original data. You mention an issue that needs to be addressed in the scientific community. Data and programs need to be properly archived with full version control. Who, What, Where ,Why and When need to be noted in the version archive. In the programming world it is the only way to survive. It is unbelievable that there is no standard in place. At Climate Audit it is a daily effort of Steve to reconstruct data and programs. What a waste of valuable talent. You are so right - and more than that they need to be moved onto media that is accessible. Recently I had some weather data delivered that was on an antediluvian tape in an unknown format, it was almost impossible to find the hardware to read the tape and then we had to hunt for a machine that was capable of driving that hardware. I have no doubt that it was chosen as the pinnacle of storage technology when it was first used.
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Post by vauss on Oct 24, 2008 3:53:43 GMT
Woodstove, An interesting temp anomaly here in Valdez, Alaska. On the valley floor temps have been about average or a little below. But at higher elevations things have been significantly colder. The local electric coop had to stop using hydro power 3 weeks earlier than normal because of the colder temps, thus causing a bigger jump in consumer electrical costs because of the need to shift to diesel generators sooner. Vauss Sept 9, 2008, 7:42, socold wrote: NCDC temperature monthly anomalies for Northern Hemisphere: January 2008: +0.10°C February 2008: +0.43°C March 2008: +1.03°C April 2008: +0.51°C May 2008: +0.53°C June 2008: +0.59°C July 2008: +0.55°C Brrr that's cold I recommend that those interested in which way temperature is trending take a peak at UAH through all levels of the atmosphere. discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/Our current moment in time is the coldest or nearly the coldest for the last ten years throughout the strata measured by the satellites. And this is at the FRONT end of the negative PDO and what most reasonable observers would agree is a quiet period of solar activity. The warmists on this site and elsewhere would do well to enjoy their last few moments of seeming reasonableness. ;D
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Post by woodstove on Oct 24, 2008 16:41:11 GMT
Interesting, Vauss. Various points in northern Alaska that I check regularly keep missing their forecast highs by 10 degrees Fahrenheit -- or more. That is even more true of Alert, Canada, the northernmost station I've found that's -- at all -- regularly updated. Alert keeps missing forecast highs by whopping numbers. At 10:30 this morning, Alert's temperature was -17 F, 8 degrees lower than its forecast low, which helps explain the impressive ice comeback.
One meteorologist shows a scenario in which a snow-making nor'easter dumps on New England and possibly NJ-PA-NY next week. Whether or not that one materializes, something tells me that the lower 48 will get another early snowstorm (after the one 10 days ago in the Mountain West) that gets people's attention before Thanksgiving. Meanwhile, we're in October here!
P.S. Just saw that Chandalar Lake, Alaska, is at -29 Fahrenheit this morning.
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Post by Belushi TD on Oct 24, 2008 19:46:55 GMT
Anchorage was at 18 degrees this morning. I should have worn a heavier jacket over my hawaiian shirt.
Belushi TD
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Post by socold on Oct 24, 2008 19:55:33 GMT
Sept 9, 2008, 7:42, socold wrote: NCDC temperature monthly anomalies for Northern Hemisphere: January 2008: +0.10°C February 2008: +0.43°C March 2008: +1.03°C April 2008: +0.51°C May 2008: +0.53°C June 2008: +0.59°C July 2008: +0.55°C Brrr that's cold I recommend that those interested in which way temperature is trending take a peak at UAH through all levels of the atmosphere. discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/Our current moment in time is the coldest or nearly the coldest for the last ten years throughout the strata measured by the satellites. And this is at the FRONT end of the negative PDO and what most reasonable observers would agree is a quiet period of solar activity. The warmists on this site and elsewhere would do well to enjoy their last few moments of seeming reasonableness. ;D The cooling has been primarily from La Nina, not PDO or solar cycle. That's why UAH shows warming over the past 3 months..
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Post by tacoman25 on Oct 24, 2008 20:11:33 GMT
Sept 9, 2008, 7:42, socold wrote: NCDC temperature monthly anomalies for Northern Hemisphere: January 2008: +0.10°C February 2008: +0.43°C March 2008: +1.03°C April 2008: +0.51°C May 2008: +0.53°C June 2008: +0.59°C July 2008: +0.55°C Brrr that's cold I recommend that those interested in which way temperature is trending take a peak at UAH through all levels of the atmosphere. discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/Our current moment in time is the coldest or nearly the coldest for the last ten years throughout the strata measured by the satellites. And this is at the FRONT end of the negative PDO and what most reasonable observers would agree is a quiet period of solar activity. The warmists on this site and elsewhere would do well to enjoy their last few moments of seeming reasonableness. ;D The cooling has been primarily from La Nina, not PDO or solar cycle. That's why UAH shows warming over the past 3 months.. As you AGWers like to say so often: don't get too caught up in the short term trends. You are basing the warming off of one month, really, September (which was still cooler than last September). Just a month earlier, August had a negative departure and was cooler than February, March, April, and July of this year.
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Post by socold on Oct 24, 2008 20:34:38 GMT
This is expected, temperature is going up because we've come out of the La Nina. October looks like it'll be higher than September.
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Post by tacoman25 on Oct 24, 2008 21:16:16 GMT
This is expected, temperature is going up because we've come out of the La Nina. October looks like it'll be higher than September.We'll see. It looks to me like its running cooler.
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Post by brian on Oct 24, 2008 21:17:54 GMT
The NH is just not getting much warmer. La Nina has been gone for some time. The Arctic sea ice is increasing rapidly. SH sea ice is going back up. Co2 is also going up. This can not be happening. The whole AGW crowd are starting to look very bad. It looks like the negative PDO is there worst enemy. It would be nice if man could really warm the earth. Within ten years the whole world is going to only wish the AGW crowd was right. A warm earth is much better than a cold earth.
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Post by woodstove on Oct 24, 2008 21:18:12 GMT
Hey socold. The freezing of the Denmark Strait between Greenmark and Iceland, visible here: arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/arctic.seaice.some.001.png , would complicate your continued warming argument. If it proves to be what it appears to be, it will be an extraordinarily powerful proof of the end of the positive PDO warming, a harbinger of a vicious winter in 08-09 (and others to follow), and bad news for the cap-n-traders.
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Post by tacoman25 on Oct 24, 2008 21:18:29 GMT
This is expected, temperature is going up because we've come out of the La Nina. October looks like it'll be higher than September. We haven't been in La Nina conditions since April... Something else you should note: there is a tendency in recent years for Sep/Oct to run warmer than surrounding months for UAH. Not sure why that is, but you might also want to consider that apparent bias before trying too hard to establish a significant trend.
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Post by dopeydog on Oct 24, 2008 22:17:05 GMT
Well, by all evidence we are headed back to La Nina conditions. Perhaps as early as next month if you can believe the CFS. At the very least we are going to be in negative La Nada conditions for a while unless the SOI tanks.
And October looks like it will be colder than Oct 2007.
But Socold, don't start letting the facts slow you down now.
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Post by socold on Oct 24, 2008 22:39:23 GMT
UAH lags SST by a few months, SST climbed rapidly in the past 6 months, so there is warming in the pipline for UAH. www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2000/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2000October 2008 will probably be cooler than October 2007, but looks like it will be warmer than September 2008 Sep 2007: 0.20 Oct 2007: 0.23 Sep 2008: 0.16 Oct 2008: ? As long as October 2008 is less than 0.07C below October 2007 (and it's looking that way), October 2008 will be higher than September 2008. The anomolies continue upward.
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Post by dopeydog on Oct 24, 2008 22:55:00 GMT
So??
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