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Post by steve on Aug 10, 2009 16:24:23 GMT
Steve said: Well excuse me if I suggest that my perceived arrogance is a reflection of the tone of this forum which tends to be rather robustly sceptical. And with good reason Steve. As someone who used to believe in AGW, I will say that the science is not even close to convincing that AGW is a FACT, rather than a hypothisis, which hasn't even reached true theory level yet. Is it plausable? Maybe, but there is so much that we do not know about climate, which a realist, not a skeptic; realizes, that to say with any kind of certainty that AGW is in fact, a fact, is purely ludicrous. To propose policy on the science at hand is even more ludicrous. I have never claimed that AGW is a fact or a certainty. To claim that policies must only be put into action if they are based on certainties is ludicrous.
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Post by jimcripwell on Aug 10, 2009 16:36:05 GMT
steve writes "I have never claimed that AGW is a fact or a certainty.
To claim that policies must only be put into action if they are based on certainties is ludicrous."
Steve, I agree 100%. But surely the point ought to be that if both your statements are correct, very expensive policies should not be introduced by our politicians until there has been thorough scientific debate to establish where the truth lies.
The warmaholics, IMHO, go out of their way to see that such a debate NEVER takes place; e.g. by claiming "the science is settled".
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Post by radiant on Aug 10, 2009 17:26:25 GMT
I told you that the conclusion you have drawn from the graph is wrong. That's my opinion. Tell me why I'm wrong. How about you tell me what conclusion i have drawn from the graph? And then you can tell me why my conclusion is wrong. I already told you what my conclusion was. It is not my job to refute what you believe. And i think i am entitled to believe what i want to believe. Why am i going to bother explaining anything to you when earlier you told me: the side of the fence I came down on was because the evidence on the other side was so weak, and in my view relied a lot on misinformation and uncertainty. While claiming simultaneously your mind is not set in concrete steve writes "I have never claimed that AGW is a fact or a certainty.Maybe you do not realise how rediculous you are sounding?
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Post by trbixler on Aug 10, 2009 17:35:52 GMT
Indeed as with certainty we should follow the lemmings over the cliff, as action is needed now! There is no time to debate! Oh 28 days and counting. Maybe there was was time to debate but our minds are made up and further the government is in control. If fact NOAA understands these things. The Senate has not voted yet but the House bought the story all 1200 to 1500 pages worth. Not much faltering here.
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Post by radiant on Aug 10, 2009 17:44:42 GMT
Indeed as with certainty we should follow the lemmings over the cliff, It is just a myth about lemmings that nearly all of us believe to be true. I only learnt yesterday it was not true while reading about Norway. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemminginspired by a 1954 National Geographic Society article, showed massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs.[9] Even more influential was the 1958 Disney film White Wilderness, which won an Academy Award for Documentary Feature, in which footage was shown that seems to show the mass suicide of lemmings.[10] A Canadian Broadcasting Corporation documentary, Cruel Camera, found that the lemmings used for White Wilderness were flown from Hudson Bay to Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where they did not jump off the cliff, but in fact were launched off the cliff using a turntable.[11]
Due to their association with this odd behavior, lemming suicide is a frequently-used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion ;D And curious too about the junk natural history documentary and academy award. And Walt Disney too as the animal murdering sponsor?
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Post by steve on Aug 10, 2009 19:00:20 GMT
I told you that the conclusion you have drawn from the graph is wrong. That's my opinion. Tell me why I'm wrong. How about you tell me what conclusion i have drawn from the graph? And then you can tell me why my conclusion is wrong. I already told you what my conclusion was. Without digging the thread out I think you said you saw that CO2 went up after warming. You didn't say what graph it was, so I guessed and responded. I might have got the wrong graph or misunderstood your conclusion, but you got upset with me because you appear to get upset with people for little or no reason. I've taken the side of a scientific debate. I haven't devoted my eternal soul to it CO2 will cause warming - that's pretty certain. The amount of warming is another question. We don't know, but we know enough to know that there is a risk that we could mitigate, and that's where the discussion lies. And there you go with your teenage insults again before you understand what I am saying. Now go to your room
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Post by radiant on Aug 10, 2009 19:37:44 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Aug 10, 2009 23:23:19 GMT
radiant I stand corrected. I did not sell Disney stock as I had none. I will note that apparently they will preferable kill one another to solve population issues. Maybe that is the new governmental plan with us as the target.
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Post by woodstove on Aug 11, 2009 18:51:01 GMT
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Post by radiant on Aug 11, 2009 21:37:23 GMT
It appears planet Gore was wrong to say Michigan had a record cold July. www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2009-08-10-july-climate-report_N.htmJuly 2009 was officially the coldest July on record in six U.S. states, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Specifically, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.
Not one of the coldest, mind you, but the absolute, rock-bottom, chilliest on record. Records go back to 1895. Meanwhile, four others – Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri and Kentucky — had their 2nd-coldest July ever recorded.So far for August the none believers have 195 coldest ever recorded temps for a particular August date in the USA www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php?ts=daily&elem=mint&month=8&day=0&year=2009&submitted=Get+RecordsThe believers have 110 Hottest ever recorded temps for a particular August date in the USA www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php?ts=daily&elem=maxt&month=8&day=0&year=2009&submitted=Get+Records
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 12, 2009 0:34:41 GMT
This woman is actually a US Senator? OR is this a spoof site?
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